Olympics Thread
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@higgins said in Olympics Thread:
@williethewaiter Agreed. There have been heaps of instances of people carrying on after suffering painful injuries, particularly amongst cyclists who think nothing of carrying on with massive abrasions or bone injuries after crashes. It is most un kiwilike to give up so easily.
And four-five fucking years of effort to get there, you would want to get the most out of it.
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Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
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I find it easier to accept a 2nd when the winners (well one of them) were hot
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@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
i read somewhere this morning she's still entered for a couple more events this week so defo not injured - but will see how she feels ahead of them
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@williethewaiter said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
i read somewhere this morning she's still entered for a couple more events this week so defo not injured - but will see how she feels ahead of them
She qualified for the individual all round and all of the individual apparatus comps as well. So gonna need a hard reset to get up for those. She basically baulked out of the vault, one of her best events. Chose to do a vault with much lower difficulty than the one she was listed to do, and that was it
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@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
But she did simply give up. That’s literally what she did. If she was physically able to continue then she should have. She goes around wearing gear with a picture of a goat on it. What GOAT has ever done something like this?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
But she did simply give up. That’s literally what she did. If she was physically able to continue then she should have. She goes around wearing gear with a picture of a goat on it. What GOAT has ever done something like this?
I sympathise with that opinion mate, I don't have an answer for you. It was very out of character. She was heavily involved in the battle vs US gymnastics over that sexual predator who had been abusing athletes for years. This couldn't possibly be a nuclear fuck you move against the organisation surely? I don't think she would have compromised her team mates just for revenge
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@canefan In regards to mental health, well I think there's a level of responsibility to know where your mental health is at and whether you can cope or not, especially if other people are depending on you. It takes a certain level of courage to face up to those people, say your not in a good place, you need help and perhaps there's someone better that can do the job instead of you.
Personally I think the much braver decision would of been for her to withdraw from the team prior to the Olympics and given her spot to someone else who was mentally up for it rather than just giving up at the pointy end of the competition.
It's highly unusual for metal health issues to appear suddenly out of the blue i.e. mid competition unless you've been exposed to sudden trauma...It's a little bit selfish of her to keep her spot, she would have know she was struggling, she would have known she wasn't up to her prior levels of performance.
As it is she's deprived someone of a chance who would have done better (considering she quit) and then just given up. Whilst sad and unfortunate I can't find much admirable about it.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
But she did simply give up. That’s literally what she did. If she was physically able to continue then she should have. She goes around wearing gear with a picture of a goat on it. What GOAT has ever done something like this?
Fuck that. If your head is gone you don't want to be springing over a vault at speed trying to execute a scoring manoeuvre. Recipe for injury.
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@crucial said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
But she did simply give up. That’s literally what she did. If she was physically able to continue then she should have. She goes around wearing gear with a picture of a goat on it. What GOAT has ever done something like this?
Fuck that. If your head is gone you don't want to be springing over a vault at speed trying to execute a scoring manoeuvre. Recipe for injury.
Good on her for recognising it.My point would be perhaps she should have recognized this prior to the competition, instead of mid-way though it...
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@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
But she did simply give up. That’s literally what she did. If she was physically able to continue then she should have. She goes around wearing gear with a picture of a goat on it. What GOAT has ever done something like this?
I sympathise with that opinion mate, I don't have an answer for you. It was very out of character. She was heavily involved in the battle vs US gymnastics over that sexual predator who had been abusing athletes for years. This couldn't possibly be a nuclear fuck you move against the organisation surely? I don't think she would have compromised her team mates just for revenge
I’m thinking it’s because she has been nothing but dominant for years, has been lauded to the skies and was expected to win a truck load of medals this time. The pressure got to her and she realised that she might not be able to deliver on those expectations. So rather than just see it through and accept what was to come, she decided she would rather quit than perform badly. I do actually have some sympathy for that but goes totally against everything sport and competition is supposed to be about.
I guess it may not be totally unprecedented. I strongly suspect that Chinese hurdler at the Beijing games was not injured but the ridiculous expectations got the best of him. You don’t win but if you withdraw you don’t really lose either.
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@windows97 said in Olympics Thread:
@crucial said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Just on that Biles thing, surely there’s more to it than just giving up? Was she carrying an injury? I’m 100% sympathetic about mental health, but this is pretty unprecedented. There are loads of times that athletes realise it’s not their day or aren’t in form but they tough it out. This is particularly incredible when considering it’s a team comp. Shades of Osaka at the French Open. Is this a generational thing where it’s ok to pull the pin if you’re just not feeling it that day?
She intimated that she was having panic attacks before the competition started. We can't hope to know behind the scenes but she doesn't have the reputation that would have suggested she simply gave up. She was fully involved in coaching and cheering her team mates on, and was the first to congratulate the Russians. So it wasn't like she took her ball and went home
But she did simply give up. That’s literally what she did. If she was physically able to continue then she should have. She goes around wearing gear with a picture of a goat on it. What GOAT has ever done something like this?
Fuck that. If your head is gone you don't want to be springing over a vault at speed trying to execute a scoring manoeuvre. Recipe for injury.
Good on her for recognising it.My point would be perhaps she should have recognized this prior to the competition, instead of mid-way though it...
....and you know this how? People's minds are their minds. If she thought she could compete for the team but then realised that she couldn't without endangering herself then why not.
I would put money on the background noise of coaches etc telling her to have a go even if she did have reservations.
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@crucial said in Olympics Thread:
It's still that attitude toward mental health being 'get over it'.
it's really not, despite how pompously you want to put it.
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Look I have no issues with people withdrawing for mental health reasons, none at all. I've done it myself when I was in a bad place.
However for me the biggest issue with mental health is that people simply try to "cope" and say "their fine" and "they're managing" when really they're not.
All this does is heap additional pressure upon themselves to the point they break and creates an incredible mess for everyone else around them (who are often totally unaware there's a problem at all). This is a perfect case in point...
To fix mental health we need to speak up early, we need to encourage people to come forward and talk about it and get help as early as possible and not encourage people to just grit their teeth and try and get through it.
Coming forward early is courage, gritting your teeth and thinking you can just cope is lunacy.
Whether she didn't come forward early enough, or she did and her organization didn't give her the necessary support we'll probably never know but someone's messed up terribly. It's been poorly handled.
To say this is a good example on how to handle mental health as you are implying - well, no it's not. It's a case study in how to do it wrong. I guess we can agree to disagree.
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@windows97 you may have misread my post. I agree with what you have written.
My guess (as people were all making guesses) is that she may well have raised her concerns about not being in the right frame of mind but was pressured into starting. I just see that as more likely than her recognising her state part way through or simply pulling out to avoid failure.
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What the hell happened to the Brits there? Bloody hell.
