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@canefan @Frank @Victor-Meldrew
I saw an hilarious clip recently (though it was a fair bit older) of Dianne Abbot defending labelling the shooting of a black activist as racist despite the incident being a black on black gangland hit gone wrong!
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@jc said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@dogmeat said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@frank quick give Tiddles some Jellymeat
To be fair, I think she’s had enough food.
Yes. She's no stranger to the knife and fork that's for sure.
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@catogrande said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@canefan @Frank @Victor-Meldrew
I saw an hilarious clip recently (though it was a fair bit older) of Dianne Abbot defending labelling the shooting of a black activist as racist despite the incident being a black on black gangland hit gone wrong!
She has a long history of racist comments, though to be fair, she's hardly the sharpest chisel in the tool-box.
To think she came close to being Home Secretary...
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@canefan said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@victor-meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
BBC's Luther (lead character Idris Elba) is racist according to the BBC's Diversity Chief. Doesn't eat the right food and his friends have the wrong colour skin apparently.
“When [‘Luther’] first came out everybody loved the fact that Idris Elba was in there — a really strong, Black character lead. We all fell in love with him. Who didn’t, right? But after you got into about the second series you got kind of like, ‘OK, he doesn’t have any Black friends, he doesn’t eat any Caribbean food, this doesn’t feel authentic.”
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/04/idris-elba-luther-black-authentic-bbc-exec-1234630309/
If he hung out with stoners, bowled fast medium, had dreadlocks and listened to Bob Marley they would slam him for being a caricature of a "real" black man
I....I'm black?
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@bones said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@canefan said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@victor-meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
BBC's Luther (lead character Idris Elba) is racist according to the BBC's Diversity Chief. Doesn't eat the right food and his friends have the wrong colour skin apparently.
“When [‘Luther’] first came out everybody loved the fact that Idris Elba was in there — a really strong, Black character lead. We all fell in love with him. Who didn’t, right? But after you got into about the second series you got kind of like, ‘OK, he doesn’t have any Black friends, he doesn’t eat any Caribbean food, this doesn’t feel authentic.”
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/04/idris-elba-luther-black-authentic-bbc-exec-1234630309/
If he hung out with stoners, bowled fast medium, had dreadlocks and listened to Bob Marley they would slam him for being a caricature of a "real" black man
I....I'm black?
Clearly not enough. You have to be the right kind of black man 🤷♂️
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@canefan said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@victor-meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
BBC's Luther (lead character Idris Elba) is racist according to the BBC's Diversity Chief. Doesn't eat the right food and his friends have the wrong colour skin apparently.
“When [‘Luther’] first came out everybody loved the fact that Idris Elba was in there — a really strong, Black character lead. We all fell in love with him. Who didn’t, right? But after you got into about the second series you got kind of like, ‘OK, he doesn’t have any Black friends, he doesn’t eat any Caribbean food, this doesn’t feel authentic.”
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/04/idris-elba-luther-black-authentic-bbc-exec-1234630309/
If he hung out with stoners, bowled fast medium, had dreadlocks and listened to Bob Marley they would slam him for being a caricature of a "real" black man
There'd be a few people in Africa who don't eat Caribbean food I'd reckon. I ate Caribbean food in Boston, feel so smug being partially authentic..
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@nostrildamus yeah....I think it was Elba who used to get annoyed when in the USA he'd be called "African American".
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@bones said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@nostrildamus yeah....I think it was Elba who used to get annoyed when in the USA he'd be called "African American".
I cause enough trouble calling Canadians Americans...well they are from the Americas..
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@canefan said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@frank said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
The assumption with all these woke fuckers is that you are racist unless you prove otherwise.
So certain boxes must be checked or you're suspect.
It's a fundamentally negative view of human beings.It's racism but in reverse
Read an interesting article by the Economist's Political editor on why Wokery is growing in elite institutions and business. His theory is it's being used to ensure only people with the right Woke credentials, generally those from well-off backgrounds, get access to the top levels and the oiks and lower classes - who are generally less Woke - are kept out.
Just a theory, but it makes a bit of sense;.
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@canefan said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
If he hung out with stoners, bowled fast medium, had dreadlocks and listened to Bob Marley they would slam him for being a caricature of a "real" black man
I guess the irony that Bob Marley's father was white and he was regarded as white when growing up, would pass them by...
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@victor-meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@canefan said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@frank said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
The assumption with all these woke fuckers is that you are racist unless you prove otherwise.
So certain boxes must be checked or you're suspect.
It's a fundamentally negative view of human beings.It's racism but in reverse
Read an interesting article by the Economist's Political editor on why Wokery is growing in elite institutions and business. His theory is it's being used to ensure only people with the right Woke credentials, generally those from well-off backgrounds, get access to the top levels and the oiks and lower classes - who are generally less Woke - are kept out.
Just a theory, but it makes a bit of sense;.
I don't think he's far wrong
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Ivory tower socialism has morphed into a belief system (wokeism) that excludes all reference to economic reality and hence excludes lower socio-economic people. The article by the Economist's Political editor stated that most people earning under a certain amount tended to vote Republican. The Democratic Party has become the party of elites and higher income earners. One clear example of this is the Hispanic vote in states near the Mexico border turning Rebublican. This is because if the borders are porous the agricultural companies get very cheap
non-unionized labor but if the borders are secure, the big companies have to pay decent wages.
Woke theory is a very useful perspective for academics to look at society with a different lens but the virus has escaped from the lab and it has become mainstream. And as always, it is society's vulnerable that will suffer. -
@old-samurai-jack said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Ivory tower socialism has morphed into a belief system (wokeism) that excludes all reference to economic reality and hence excludes lower socio-economic people.
It also pities and patronises those lower socio-economic people while removing the life chances of their children. The former probably to make them feel less guilty about the latter. So much wasted potential
One clear example of this is the Hispanic vote in states near the Mexico border turning Rebublican. This is because if the borders are porous the agricultural companies get very cheap non-unionized labor but if the borders are secure, the big companies have to pay decent wages.
Ditto with the UK in the EU. The agricultural sector is having to pay premium wages to workers to get their fruit and crops harvested now cheap EU labour isn't available.
Woke theory is a very useful perspective for academics to look at society with a different lens but the virus has escaped from the lab and it has become mainstream. And as always, it is society's vulnerable that will suffer.
I actually think a big kick-back is underway.
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@frank said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Our very own Massey university.
https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=402040
Institute of Education
Often the worst part of any university.
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@tim said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@frank said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Our very own Massey university.
https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=402040
Institute of Education
Often the worst part of any university.
Ouch.
The worst part is that there seems to be 'correct' answers to questions about ontology and epistemology (at least in my experience).
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Why is he resigning? Or has he been pushed?
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@frank said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Why is he resigning? Or has he been pushed?
Some strange claims in that article, as I read the example from Dr Daniel Hikuroa as a support for the letter (i.e., that science is universal) but clearly it is not meant to be?
There seems to be a strawman the letter writers claimed that Maori didn't use science, but I think it was that they were arguing that science is a universal process used in various countries and cultures?
Some indigenous knowledge - though not all - had been generated using the scientific method so it was clearly science, Hikuroa said.
I can't speak for them, but my interpretation of the letter is that the writers would agree with that statement.
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@frank said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Why is he resigning? Or has he been pushed?
Goodness alone knows.
Still, nice to know that Maori were the first scientists in NZ (which I agree with), but science is a colonial tool of supremacy (which I disagree with).
Funny times
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Interesting article on the Woke Privileged in the UK keeping out the riff-raff and oiks from the top jobs (in the Daily Mail of all places). Even more surprisingly, it offers a sensible suggestion to reduce the problem.
(tried to precis it, but probably easier to read the whole thing)
children of the rich and famous, a foot in the door to those glittering careers shut to us mere mortals ETAN SMALLMAN JULY 28, 2021 Arose by any other name would smell as sweet, opined William Shakespeare. But would the child of a famous or successful figure, by any other name, be just as employable? To mere civilians, the gates around the creative industries – acting, writing and TV – seem sky-high and reinforced by maximum-security locks. All the while, it can often appear that those with the right lineage have a guaranteed seat in the front row. Those on the receiving end of rarefied genes cry: ‘It’s only an in! We’d be out on our ear if we weren’t talented.’ At the same time, the unlucky majority uninvited to the party could tell you the cold truth through bitter experience: it is getting the foot in the door that is the crucial – and hardest – part. The latest in a very long line of such beneficiaries is Boris Johnson’s daughter Lara, who inevitably made headlines this week as writer of, and model for, an article on the new breed of shapewear in Tatler, where she is contributing editor. Her name blares from one of the cover lines – a strange thing for a relatively unknown 28-year-old writer. Of course, she may be a very talented journalist. Though perhaps having the daughter of the serving Prime Minister modelling underwear was the driving consideration in the editor’s prominent placement. But the Johnsons know all about the power of a shared name. Boris gave a ministerial job to his brother Jo before he resigned six weeks later because he was ‘torn between family loyalty and the national interest’ (in what kind of functioning democracy does ‘family loyalty’ even come into it?). Boris later rewarded Jo with a peerage. We used to debate whether journalism was a profession or a trade. I sometimes wonder if it is closer to a hereditary monarchy. The most recent general election night coverage was the BBC’s first not to include a Dimbleby since the early 1950s. Alan Coren’s son Giles got his break on The Times ‘because my dad was a famous columnist on the paper and that was how it worked back then, and sometimes still does’. Flora Gill, daughter of the late writer AA Gill, succeeded in getting her first radio show opposite her mother, ex-home secretary Amber Rudd. Look at the parade of celebrity progeny hoovering up plum jobs in the arts and it seems the advantage of proximity to a dynasty becomes undeniable. Take TV names such as Jack Whitehall, the godson of actors Nigel Havers and Richard Griffiths, a talented comedian, no doubt, but – he has admitted – one also helped by the copious industry connections in his family. His first telly role was in a series starring Havers and produced by his theatrical agent father, who also secured him a private audition for the Harry Potter films: 'My Dad, being an agent at the time, said: "This is nonsense, Jack, we're not sending you off to some open audition. They never find anyone from an open audition. I'll get you a one-to-one because I know David Heyman's [the producer] mother, I used to work with her." Try finding a major TV drama not showcasing what Grazia magazine has called ‘celebrity spawn privilege’ – the extra stardust seemingly sprinkled on those related to high-powered names. There was Normal People (its star Daisy Edgar-Jones is daughter of the head of entertainment at Sky), Bridgerton (Phoebe Dynevor is daughter of Coronation Street’s Sally) and The Pursuit of Love (Emily Mortimer is daughter of dramatist Sir John Mortimer; Freddie Fox is godson of Sir John and son of actors Edward Fox and Joanna David – also cast in the show; Beattie Edmondson is daughter of actors Ade Edmondson and Jennifer Saunders; and Dolly Wells is daughter of actor John Wells. Mortimer also handed roles to her own mother and two children. Are we really saying that acting ability is hereditary? Or are producers just fishing in the tiniest of available talent puddles? In politics too, the same names crop up through the generations. According to the House of Commons Library, there are 50 MPs related to current or former members. Labour’s Hilary Benn and the Tories’ Geoffrey Clifton-Brown are the descendants of no fewer than four ex-MPs apiece. Could it be that local parties might be seduced by a political dynasty too when selecting their candidates? In whatever field, no public figure can heartily insist their children made it on merit while also bestowing them with acres of column inches thanks to frequent joint interviews in which they wax lyrical about each other. And you can’t boast about opening up your profession to working-class or ethnic-minority talent AND keep it in the (usually wealthy and white) family Of course, it is not the fault of the recipients of the charmed monikers. The blame lies squarely with those offering the work to a growing army of famous family members – as everyone else is left to fight for the scraps. I am not even saying that they aren’t up to the job. The point is that this is a zero-sum game – every role that gets handed to someone with special access is one not even open to the hordes of just-as-talented nobodies trying desperately to get their opportunity. It would help everyone – the ordinary folk bashing down the doors and the children of the creative elites who feel unfairly judged for their inheritance – if organisations were clear that no strings can be pulled. All companies should have a basic transparency policy in the same way that staff have to declare other conflicts of interest. Anyone trying to jump the queue should be told plainly to join the back. And – on the specific occasions where unfair preferment does occur – we should never defend a kind of low-level corruption as a natural and noble parental impulse any more than we would argue for tripping up your child’s rival at a sports day. Most of us are sick of hearing the nation’s most gilded class claiming to be liberal and progressive defenders of equal opportunities, while crowing about privilege-checking – for everyone but their own lucky darlings
F off with the damn PC Brigade