All Blacks vs Fiji
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
So ABs always had 60+ on Fiji, another great record for Foster's ABs
Didn't score 60. Sack him.
For at least 50 minutes our pack was getting outmuscled by Fiji. Against a tier 1 team we'll find ourselves well behind on the scorecard if that happens.
In the end our depth on the bench and the fact Fiji had just done bloody MIQ meant we ran over the top of them when they inevitably tired. That won't happen against tier 1 teams.
Absolutely nothing about that performance showed me we have learnt a single damn thing from our RWC exit and then first ever loss to Argentina among other very poor performances last year.
It seems clear we won't improve under this coaching team, and our ranking in the world will hover around 3rd or 4th which reflects the way we are playing. We're going to have to get used to that until someone like Robertson or Rennie takes the helm.
Absolutely agree get rid of these idiots.
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The last 2 teams has reminded me of way back when the All Blacks could actually do that, silly thing is though they at least did it over a period of time and brought in new players with experienced and form players. I think when a team is picked like this it's actually not fair to point the finger at individuals, but would like to see more support in roles ie Blackadder with 2 other form or experienced loosies or Patrick T with Sam W and Carl T with Ofa etc etc - yes I Know injuries but you hopefully get the concept (stop setting up players to fail)
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
- Nothing in this post should be construed as an endorsement or otherwise of Foster & Co.
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Anything else is wrongthink
- Nothing in this post should be construed as an endorsement or otherwise of Foster & Co.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We just lack physicality. Don't think we took the threat serious enough and took the piss with the starting lineup a bit.
In saying that we should still be playing better than this shit.we’re is a game plan or progression from last year .soft forward effort let’s hope COVID keeps SA out of the RC .
Yeah. Unbeatable.
No the Lions,England a full strength French team can beat SA we could under different coaches.
But not playing like we have last year and that passive shit forward performance we put out against Fiji.
Yes Sack the idiot coaches.I can sort of accept a 'passive' performance because that is an attitude thing and players aren't always going to play that way. In an ideal world players would be up for every game but that is not humanly possible.
But what disturbs me is the game plan. It looks as though they have decided the way to beat modern defences is to play helter skelter from the get go. Our players are not good enough to consistently win that way under pressure. Surely the last few years have shown us that.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We just lack physicality. Don't think we took the threat serious enough and took the piss with the starting lineup a bit.
In saying that we should still be playing better than this shit.we’re is a game plan or progression from last year .soft forward effort let’s hope COVID keeps SA out of the RC .
Yeah. Unbeatable.
No the Lions,England a full strength French team can beat SA we could under different coaches.
But not playing like we have last year and that passive shit forward performance we put out against Fiji.
Yes Sack the idiot coaches.I can sort of accept a 'passive' performance because that is an attitude thing and players aren't always going to play that way. In an ideal world players would be up for every game but that is not humanly possible.
But what disturbs me is the game plan. It looks as though they have decided the way to beat modern defences is to play helter skelter from the get go. Our players are not good enough to consistently win that way under pressure. Surely the last few years have shown us that.
That is what worries me,We are not progressing or learning anything.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We just lack physicality. Don't think we took the threat serious enough and took the piss with the starting lineup a bit.
In saying that we should still be playing better than this shit.we’re is a game plan or progression from last year .soft forward effort let’s hope COVID keeps SA out of the RC .
Yeah. Unbeatable.
No the Lions,England a full strength French team can beat SA we could under different coaches.
But not playing like we have last year and that passive shit forward performance we put out against Fiji.
Yes Sack the idiot coaches.I can sort of accept a 'passive' performance because that is an attitude thing and players aren't always going to play that way. In an ideal world players would be up for every game but that is not humanly possible.
But what disturbs me is the game plan. It looks as though they have decided the way to beat modern defences is to play helter skelter from the get go. Our players are not good enough to consistently win that way under pressure. Surely the last few years have shown us that.
That is what worries me,We are not progressing or learning anything.
And our selections suggest we are going to go further down the rabbit hole. We don't ave traditional wings, our centre is not a traditional centre, our 15 is a hybrid 10/15, we had a 6 playing at 7. I suppose we should be grateful we had a specialist tight five.
Who knows, Foster could be a genius and we need to be patient!
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Is Reece a must-start winger?
Sevu Reece led the team in defenders beaten (7) and had two clean breaks with 66 metres (2nd in the team to Roane with 81).
Reece also made eight tackles (most in the backline), but missed three (leading the team, and including one that directly led to a try) plus had two turnovers.
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Is Reece a must-start winger?
Sevu Reece led the team in defenders beaten (7) and had two clean breaks with 66 metres (2nd in the team to Roane with 81).
Reece also made eight tackles (most in the backline), but missed three (leading the team, and including one that directly led to a try) plus had two turnovers.
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
….and leave Bridge out ? Are you crazy ? Who will be the playmaker ?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Is Reece a must-start winger?
Sevu Reece led the team in defenders beaten (7) and had two clean breaks with 66 metres (2nd in the team to Roane with 81).
Reece also made eight tackles (most in the backline), but missed three (leading the team, and including one that directly led to a try) plus had two turnovers.
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
The fallacy of statistics.
Reece did two good things all game that resulted in those numbers.
One (very good) run probably accounted for 5 defenders and 50 metres. -
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Is Reece a must-start winger?
Sevu Reece led the team in defenders beaten (7) and had two clean breaks with 66 metres (2nd in the team to Roane with 81).
Reece also made eight tackles (most in the backline), but missed three (leading the team, and including one that directly led to a try) plus had two turnovers.
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
The fallacy of statistics.
Reece did two good things all game that resulted in those numbers.
One (very good) run probably accounted for 5 defenders and 50 metres.With respect to outside backs, isn’t that often the way it goes? If we just want these guys to cart it up and take the tackle, we’ve already got our staying left wing sorted.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
And that's how they finished the game when Jordan came on for Bridge.
Seems the obvious way to go (so no doubt they won’t do it).
Longer term, I wonder if his (Reece’s) inaccuracies will see a Nareki get a go in that case?
His boot could be very useful and he plays a similar game.
We also have Rayasi to develop and Clarke to come back.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
And that's how they finished the game when Jordan came on for Bridge.
Seems the obvious way to go (so no doubt they won’t do it).
Longer term, I wonder if his (Reece’s) inaccuracies will see a Nareki get a go in that case?
His boot could be very useful and he plays a similar game.
We also have Rayasi to develop and Clarke to come back.
Reece was very good against SA in that pool game at the RWC. Scored an absolute blinder with super fast feet - got to have him if you looking at attacking options. Bridge is so far out of form it's not funny
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@nzzp I don't think Bridge is out of form, he is doing what he has always done. He has never been one to beat multiple defenders.
Last night he was a key component to the first try with a snappy midfield pass, and the try he scored he initiated the forward momentum with a good run from a lineout.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
TBH some of you guys are forgetting just how terrible Tonga were - a team of brickies and amateurs getting called up out of dire necessity.
Further to this: a lot of you are also forgetting just how tight-knit a unit the ABs were after 2007 under Graham Henry, and the number of all-time greats that were present, and nearly-greats whose reputations were enhanced just by being part of an absolutely uncompromising leadership group on- and off-field.
In a way, you're victims of your own success, and it is nothing to do with the win/loss ratio, but the style in which they played.
I think you need to be a bit more realistic about your expectations, accept that some of these guys aren't legends, and accept you'll still win a lot more than you lose.
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@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
And yes a lot of that could be attributed to the coach. I know there is a lot of angst around the perceived nepotism Foster's appointment generates.
But how much do you attribute to the players? I'm sure they're all out there trying their best, but maybe it is just that the group has limits and no amount of coaching will address it because they simply haven't gone through enough pain in losing. These guys following your all-timers have been playing in an environment where they got an artificial leg-up from the mere presence of those individuals, and while you're winning games against Australia by 40-blot and recovering enough to trounce a fired-up Fiji, that is unlikely to change.
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@machpants its NZR that need to take note though, and evidence to date, Robinson is out of his depth and touch with how to deal with things
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
It would be interesting if someone with more search skills than me, ie not lazy, dug up old Chiefs threads from the Foster era. My memory tells me the complaints we are hearing now are pretty much the same complaints we were hearing then.
