Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby
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@mofitzy_ said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
I see Polite is now saying it was the wrong call at the end of the third 2017 Lions test.
"Many people called me after the game and told me, 'That was a mistake, but it was justice, the right decision to make'," Frenchman Poite told Rugby Pass.
"Even the World Rugby staff management gave me this call. But I said that I am paid to make a big decision at the end of the game. That was my concern."
Gutless.
And who exactly were these people who congratulated him and told him he made the right call?
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@canefan said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
I see Polite is now saying it was the wrong call at the end of the third 2017 Lions test.
"Many people called me after the game and told me, 'That was a mistake, but it was justice, the right decision to make'," Frenchman Poite told Rugby Pass.
"Even the World Rugby staff management gave me this call. But I said that I am paid to make a big decision at the end of the game. That was my concern."
Gutless.
And who exactly were these people who congratulated him and told him he made the right call?
fluffybunnies
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@mofitzy_ said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
I see Polite is now saying it was the wrong call at the end of the third 2017 Lions test.
"Many people called me after the game and told me, 'That was a mistake, but it was justice, the right decision to make'," Frenchman Poite told Rugby Pass.
"Even the World Rugby staff management gave me this call. But I said that I am paid to make a big decision at the end of the game. That was my concern."
Gutless.
Not gutless, just pressure in a decision. Probably remembered how other refs have been treated post match by WR in similar circumstances.
The worrying part is that he says WR told him it was justice if not correct. Astounding. -
@crucial said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
I see Polite is now saying it was the wrong call at the end of the third 2017 Lions test.
"Many people called me after the game and told me, 'That was a mistake, but it was justice, the right decision to make'," Frenchman Poite told Rugby Pass.
"Even the World Rugby staff management gave me this call. But I said that I am paid to make a big decision at the end of the game. That was my concern."
Gutless.
Not gutless, just pressure in a decision. Probably remembered how other refs have been treated post match by WR in similar circumstances.
That sounds gutless to me. His instinct and knowledge made him make the correct decision that he then squibbed on. He's honest enough to admit it now. Just as if we're honest we did ourselves out of another Lions clean sweep.
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@mofitzy_ said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
I see Polite is now saying it was the wrong call at the end of the third 2017 Lions test.
"Many people called me after the game and told me, 'That was a mistake, but it was justice, the right decision to make'," Frenchman Poite told Rugby Pass.
"Even the World Rugby staff management gave me this call. But I said that I am paid to make a big decision at the end of the game. That was my concern."
Gutless.
What the fuck is that statement?
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@machpants said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
WR needed the lions to be successful and ABs brought down a peg, so ‘justice’
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A significant part of my rugby fandom died that day on the back of that decision.
This only serves to justify that.
But I am, alas, just an NZ fan.
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@booboo said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
What the fuck is that statement?
It's fucking appalling is what it is.
The people that called him are morons. How can something be a mistake and the right decision?
And that is ignoring the corruption and cheating aspect by an international referee.
I'm with @MajorRage too. Wayne Barnes started my lack of faith in a sport that I still watch and can enjoy. Garces and Poite confirmed that I won't spend my money going around the world to watch anymore. Makes me both sad and bloody angry.
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@majorrage said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@machpants said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
WR needed the lions to be successful and ABs brought down a peg, so ‘justice’
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A significant part of my rugby fandom died that day on the back of that decision.
This only serves to justify that.
But I am, alas, just an NZ fan.
Same actually, like you've I've said this a few times before on here as well.
The decision, the mocking from every non-NZ rugby fan in the world, the smugness of Brits (I live over here), and the ratification on high from World Rugby.
Just could not be bothered giving it the same attention after that happened.
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@majorrage said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@machpants said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
WR needed the lions to be successful and ABs brought down a peg, so ‘justice’
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A significant part of my rugby fandom died that day on the back of that decision.
This only serves to justify that.
But I am, alas, just an NZ fan.
I just took it as a win in all but the scoreboard. Most of my British mates treat it more as a loss than a draw.
The journo’s, however, seem less forthright.
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@pakman said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@majorrage said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@machpants said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
WR needed the lions to be successful and ABs brought down a peg, so ‘justice’
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A significant part of my rugby fandom died that day on the back of that decision.
This only serves to justify that.
But I am, alas, just an NZ fan.
I just took it as a win in all but the scoreboard. Most of my British mates treat it more as a loss than a draw.
The journo’s, however, seem less forthright.
I thought Hansen’s comments were very fair.
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@canefan said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
I see Polite is now saying it was the wrong call at the end of the third 2017 Lions test.
"Many people called me after the game and told me, 'That was a mistake, but it was justice, the right decision to make'," Frenchman Poite told Rugby Pass.
"Even the World Rugby staff management gave me this call. But I said that I am paid to make a big decision at the end of the game. That was my concern."
Gutless.
And who exactly were these people who congratulated him and told him he made the right call?
Warren Garland and Sam Warburton
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@pakman said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@majorrage said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@machpants said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
WR needed the lions to be successful and ABs brought down a peg, so ‘justice’
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A significant part of my rugby fandom died that day on the back of that decision.
This only serves to justify that.
But I am, alas, just an NZ fan.
I just took it as a win in all but the scoreboard. Most of my British mates treat it more as a loss than a draw.
The journo’s, however, seem less forthright.
Agree. Most of the poms I know think we got screwed, badly.
Media … not so much. Mind you, even the poms hate their own rugby media!
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Who thinks Barrett (IIRC he was the kicker at the time?) would have gotten the kick if the penalty stood? Pity we will never know, but that would have been a hell of a lot of pressure for someone who is not the most consistent kicker. I wonder if he felt an element of relief when it was overturned?
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@crazy-horse well, I guess the other thing was had he played advantage (which both the penalty and scrum scenario allowed for) ALB was likely to score a try anyway, so the kick wouldn't have mattered!
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@taniwharugbyI forgot about that!
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@taniwharugby said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@crazy-horse well, I guess the other thing was had he played advantage (which both the penalty and scrum scenario allowed for) ALB was likely to score a try anyway, so the kick wouldn't have mattered!
Yup ALB was under the posts if he didn't blow his whistle.
The whole situation was so bad that it warranted WR making a statement, conducting a review, and making public what they are doing to try to prevent anything like that happening again. Instead we got the opposite, which as others have said, really put the game into disrepute and meant some of the longstanding fans of rugby took less interest in the game.
As @mariner4life so eloquently put, fluffybunnies.
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@no-quarter said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@taniwharugby said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
@crazy-horse well, I guess the other thing was had he played advantage (which both the penalty and scrum scenario allowed for) ALB was likely to score a try anyway, so the kick wouldn't have mattered!
Yup ALB was under the posts if he didn't blow his whistle.
The whole situation was so bad that it warranted WR making a statement, conducting a review, and making public what they are doing to try to prevent anything like that happening again. Instead we got the opposite, which as others have said, really put the game into disrepute and meant some of the longstanding fans of rugby took less interest in the game.
As @mariner4life so eloquently put, fluffybunnies.
I would argue they have tried to prevent that sort of thing happening again.If the same thing happened today, with the way the TMO operates now maybe the ref would be likely to let it play out to the 'end' and then go back for review. I'd like to think that would be the case anyway.
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@crazy-horse said in Kieran Read has retired from professional rugby:
Who thinks Barrett (IIRC he was the kicker at the time?) would have gotten the kick if the penalty stood? Pity we will never know, but that would have been a hell of a lot of pressure for someone who is not the most consistent kicker. I wonder if he felt an element of relief when it was overturned?
That thought has crossed my mind a few times! But yes, the overall summary was
Test 2: By the letter of the law it's a penalty, so I must issue a penalty and cannot overturn. Favour - Lions.
Test 3: By the letter of the law it's a penalty, but I'm going to overturn the penalty after being guided to by the referee who was adamant a week ago that he could not overturn it . Favour - Lions.Sorry, thats not sport, error or poor judgement.
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