Planes
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@machpants said in Planes:
@crucial Jesus, not nice. You wouldn't get me in a Robinson, esp R22
I've done a bit in them, but reluctant about the 22 in particular.
Really a twin turbine is more my style anyway. I just have some finance issues with them.
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@machpants said in Planes:
@crucial Jesus, not nice. You wouldn't get me in a Robinson, esp R22
Ugh, stats are appalling
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125559838/robinson-helicopter-crashes--pilot-error-or-faulty-design
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@machpants a friend has lost two brothers to R22 crashes. Not sure if mast bumping was a cause but both were highly skilled and experienced pilots.
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@machpants a friend has lost two brothers to R22 crashes. Not sure if mast bumping was a cause but both were highly skilled and experienced pilots.
I don't really want to ask details from him to be honest.Fucking hell! I thought fast jet flying in RAF was dangerous enough!
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@machpants a friend has lost two brothers to R22 crashes. Not sure if mast bumping was a cause but both were highly skilled and experienced pilots.
I don't really want to ask details from him to be honest.We did all sorts of things with R22s in NZ that they really weren't designed for. Mostly hunting. They are a training and personal transport helicopter. Not for chasing animals through valleys.
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@machpants a friend has lost two brothers to R22 crashes. Not sure if mast bumping was a cause but both were highly skilled and experienced pilots.
I don't really want to ask details from him to be honest.We did all sorts of things with R22s in NZ that they really weren't designed for. Mostly hunting. They are a training and personal transport helicopter. Not for chasing animals through valleys.
I have found the report on one one of the accidents. Had been converted for spraying and was operating outside of limits due to "inaccurate weight and balance information being provided to the pilot post installation"
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Accidents involving R22s aren't surprising when you see how they're used in mustering. CASA put out an airworthiness bulletin about them two years ago https://www.casa.gov.au/files/awb-85-025-issue-1-robinson-r22r44-engine-intake-valve-and-valve-seat-distress
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@machpants a friend has lost two brothers to R22 crashes. Not sure if mast bumping was a cause but both were highly skilled and experienced pilots.
I don't really want to ask details from him to be honest.We did all sorts of things with R22s in NZ that they really weren't designed for. Mostly hunting. They are a training and personal transport helicopter. Not for chasing animals through valleys.
I have found the report on one one of the accidents. Had been converted for spraying and was operating outside of limits due to "inaccurate weight and balance information being provided to the pilot post installation"
Had forgotten about spraying and mustering @antipodean , but as I said they just aren't built for what people used them for. Not really the machines fault. I don't use my digger to go to the supermarket either. Apart from being slow, the tracks wear out.
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R22 + R44 referred to as ālawn dartsā in some circles here. Wouldnāt catch me in oneā¦.turbine plzā¦
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@mantissanet said in Planes:
R22 + R44 referred to as ālawn dartsā in some circles here. Wouldnāt catch me in oneā¦.turbine plzā¦
Jet engines not a guarantee of safety
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@mantissanet said in Planes:
turbine plzā¦
Minimum of two. Preferably PT6 in a fixed wing. After my 5th engine failure in PNG, 3 complete, 2 partial I wanted a job flying one of these:
There is 8 times the chance of a failure than a single engine of course but you probably won't end up upside down in a burning aeroplane if one lets go.
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@crucial Managed to read it all and it seems familiar...as in that I know the event.
As a crash. Complete fuck up on every level. The Swiss cheese, James Reason end result of causation. What a mess, everybody screwed that up.
After reading that I agree. Not a discussion I can have with my mate of course. Would be interested on his views on the findings, especially around the assumption that the spray load was understated on purpose.
There does always seem to be an element added around operator actions to remove some blame from certifiers etc but it is notable that the only actions taken were in regard to tightening up the certification process after modification.Edit: just thought about it and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he hasn't read the report. He flies himself (at least did) and losing two brothers (the second just after his mother died) has possibly made him not want to go down that path. It wouldn't be a nice read.
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especially around the assumption that the spray load was understated on purpose.
Weight and balance just makes aircraft uncontrollable. That is a serious fuck up and you really shouldn't be able to get it wrong in terms of weight. Really simple stuff.
I've had it, insecure load in a Cessna 206, and believe it or not, it was a huge pig that just slid all the way to the back. Stalled the aircraft, which actually saved me. Wing dropped. A sort of spiral dive resulted. Nose went down, pig slid forward again, balance restored. Pig cage was then tied to my seat. Achieving that wasn't easy. The thing was huge too.
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Edit: just thought about it and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he hasn't read the report. He flies himself (at least did) and losing two brothers (the second just after his mother died) has possibly made him not want to go down that path. It wouldn't be a nice read.
Re this, I've lost too many mates. Brothers would be just awful.
Funny thing is if flying is in your blood it doesn't go away. Dead mates and family won't change it. Analysing what happened probably wouldn't be great though. Ouch.
