Canes vs Chiefs
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Canes4life" data-cid="573102" data-time="1460936845">
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<p>You obviously haven't been watching the Canes to make a statement like that. Yes Cane is the incumbent but Ardie is currently playing better. Like Ian Jones said on the Breakdown this week Ardie has the ability to take the All Black number 7 jersey to a whole new level. He just offers alot more than Cane and it wouldn't suprise me if he surpasses him in a few years.</p>
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<p>Reminds me of when Canes fans were proclaiming Hosea Gear as "the best winger in the world." Looked great at Super level but completely ineffective at test level when facing quality defences.</p>
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<p>Didn't Sam Cane make his AB debut at 20, so someone thought he was outstanding then too?</p>
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<p>These conversations are always good (often amusing) and highlights the good problems to have.</p>
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<p>Yep. 20 when Cane debuted, 21 when he was added to the leadership group.</p>
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<p>Ardie, on the other hand, was called into the AB squad as a non-playing member at 20 and hasn't been seen in there since. Even Todd was higher up in the pecking order than Ardie.</p> -
<p>Classic. All these Chiefs fans getting all defensive. I bet you won't be disagreeing with me when hes in Black and tearing other international sides a new one. </p>
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<p>We're not defensive. We're right. </p>
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<p>Ardie vs Cane stats 2016. Enough said. Ardie is dominating in all facets.</p>
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<p>Minutes: A - 539 C - 521</p>
<p>Tries: A - 3 C - 3</p>
<p>Carries: A- 72 C - 57</p>
<p>Metres: A-273 C-116</p>
<p>Clean Breaks: A - 9 C- 2</p>
<p>Defenders Beaten: A - 14 C - 5</p>
<p>Tackles: A- 80 C- 72</p>
<p>Missed Tackles: A - 8 C - 10</p>
<p>Tackle Success: A - 90.9% C- 87.8%</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Canes4life" data-cid="573136" data-time="1460938961">
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<p>Classic. All these Chiefs fans getting all defensive. I bet you won't be disagreeing with me when hes in Black and tearing other international sides a new one. </p>
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<p>I'm not a Chiefs fan (well actually, I support the Chiefs as much as all the NZ sides) I'm ABs fan....Ardie is a talent, of that there is no doubt, but he is behind Cane, by some distance I expect, however as we know a number of players might only be an injury away from becoming a legend.</p> -
<p>I'm a Blues fan and Cane is superior to Ardie at this stage. As has been stated Cane has delivered at test level, is the clear first choice AB 7 and playing extremely well.</p>
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<p>Ardie is having a great season in his own right, better than expected i'd say given that he has been away with the 7s. With the 7s it will look like Ardie will have to wait til the EOYT at the earliest to get his shot in the AB jersey.</p> -
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<p>and us Chiefs fans are used to being defensive as Cane doesn't miss at tackle....</p>
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<p>By the stats above he misses more than Ardie. :good1:</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="573140" data-time="1460939218">
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<p>We're not defensive. We're right. </p>
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<p>Okay Mariner because you've contributed so much to this discussion.</p> -
<p>I'm out people. Let the battle commence on Saturday. Chahoooo :hi:</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Canes4life" data-cid="573144" data-time="1460939434">
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<p>Ardie vs Cane stats 2016. Enough said. Ardie is dominating in all facets.</p>
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<p>Minutes: A - 539 C - 521</p>
<p>Tries: A - 3 C - 3</p>
<p>Carries: A- 72 C - 57</p>
<p>Metres: A-273 C-116</p>
<p>Clean Breaks: A - 9 C- 2</p>
<p>Defenders Beaten: A - 14 C - 5</p>
<p>Tackles: A- 80 C- 72</p>
<p>Missed Tackles: A - 8 C - 10</p>
<p>Tackle Success: A - 90.9% C- 87.8%</p>
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<p>Would need:</p>
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<p>Errors</p>
<p>Penalties Conceded</p>
<p>Turnovers won</p>
<p>Cleanouts</p>
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<p>To get the full picture.</p>
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<p>I'm happy that they're both playing so well though.</p>
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<p>I honestly don't think the All Blacks this year will skip a beat. Many pundits (mostly overseas) have suggested that the departure of so much experience would hit them hard, but it looks like instead we will get a rejuvenated squad that will be able to stamp a fresh mark.</p>
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<p>Losing McCaw is always going to be a blow, but there is now room for a guy like Savea in the squad to offer something new. Fantastic!</p> -
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<p>Hes faster, Id say pound for pound hes the strongest player in Super Rugby and if you watch his work rate he is unbelievable. A mate and I were watching the game against the Rebels and were just gobsmacked at how good he is for a 21 year old. <strong>Mark my words he will be the best Canes player ever by the end of his career.</strong></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="573179" data-time="1460943075">
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<p>Would need:</p>
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<p>Errors</p>
<p>Penalties Conceded</p>
<p>Turnovers won</p>
<p>Cleanouts</p>
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<p>To get the full picture.</p>
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<p>I'm happy that they're both playing so well though.</p>
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<p>I honestly don't think the All Blacks this year will skip a beat. Many pundits (mostly overseas) have suggested that the departure of so much experience would hit them hard, but it looks like instead we will get a rejuvenated squad that will be able to stamp a fresh mark.</p>
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<p>Losing McCaw is always going to be a blow, but there is now room for a guy like Savea in the squad to offer something new. Fantastic!</p>
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<p>even then you don't paint the full picture, as Wayne Smith often alludes in regard to tackle stats and a bunch of others probably too.</p> -
<p>Matt Todd will surpass both of them. I've got a youtube link coming soon</p>
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<p>even then, stats don't paint the full picture, as Wayne Smith often alludes in regard to tackle stats.</p>
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<p>True.</p>
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<p>*Fuller picture</p> -
Don't think there is as much of a gulf between the two in terms of form and class as some suggest. Cane is number one no doubt due to his experience and performances in black. However that has no relation to Savea. Just means he was on the scene earlier and took his opporutunities well. I have no doubt that if cane and todd werent around that Ardie would have been mccaws back up for the last season or two. The ABs management have rated him for a long time. <br><br>
Don't really agree with the calls that Savea's qualities won't translate to tests. Going hard trucking up the ball in traffic, good breakdown work, good defence and skills and pace in the open is exactly what i want from an AB 7. Completely different player to say Adam Thompson who was great in the open but suffered in contact.<br><br>
Regardless im glad we have them both and would much rather Cane and Savea to poopah, who people around the world have been raving about for ages now. Having Cane and Ardie together is almost like Mccaw 2.0 and Jones 2.0 (in playing style not just skin colour) -
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<p>Would need:</p>
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<p>Handling Errors & Knock Ons: A - 8 C - 10</p>
<p>Penalties Conceded: A - 5 C - 11</p>
<p>Turnovers won: A - 9 C - 4</p>
<p>Cleanouts: - no stats</p>
<p>Yellow Cards: A - 1 C - 0</p>
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