Sydney Stadiums Rennovations
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<p>Gaga boy, do the yanks <em>play </em> sports though?</p>
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<p>I remember being shocked when asking adult football fans what position they play or if they still play and realising that while we keep turning out on saturdays, a lot of them never play or stop at school</p>
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<p>The notion of lower grade sports (senior B's 3rd Grade Presidents grade etc) seemed to be non existent. Similarly the old go down to the rugby/cricket club and see the lads type of thing</p>
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<p>Do they have these competitions and set ups for team sports like we do or not? Does amateur football or baseball exist (I assume it does, but maybe not like in Aus, NZ England etc)</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="572397" data-time="1460687144"><p>Field of Dreams shit...if you build it....</p></blockquote>
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Hasn't worked with Albany <br><br>
Any stadium in Sydney has a catchment of 4 mill within 90 mins travel. That makes an enormous difference <br><br>
A waterfront stadium would be a monumental mistake for akl. Stadiums are basically 13 story blank walls that are filled (in NZ) a couple of times a year<br><br>
The whole waterfront stadium was all piss and wind and the fact it appears again in the media every few years is so fucking boring <br><br>
NZ doesn't have the scale for a purpose built stadium of any size so whatever we do will involve compromise. <br><br>
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<p>Hasn't worked with Albany<br><br>
Any stadium in Sydney has a catchment of 4 mill within 90 mins travel. That makes an enormous difference<br><br>
A waterfront stadium would be a monumental mistake for akl. Stadiums are basically 13 story blank walls that are filled (in NZ) a couple of times a year<br><br>
The whole waterfront stadium was all piss and wind and the fact it appears again in the media every few years is so fucking boring<br><br>
NZ doesn't have the scale for a purpose built stadium of any size so whatever we do will involve compromise.<br><br>
But I guess it supports the kiwi national sport of whinging so all good.</p>
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<p>Albany is in a shit location. Wales, Scotland and Ireland both have national rugby stadiums which are either bigger or better than Eden Park.</p>
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<p>A new stadium could get:</p>
<ol><li>7 blues games per season</li>
<li>12 Warriors games</li>
<li>5 ITM Cup games</li>
<li>at least 2 All Blacks tests</li>
<li>maybe some playoff games</li>
<li>Rugby league tests</li>
<li>Nines (maybe also the 7's if the nines move away)</li>
</ol><p>In Wellington we have food shows, the marathon, Armageddon, craft beer festivals and all that crap as well. There is no reason you can't get 50 days of use out of a new stadium.</p> -
Despite my earlier call about development in NZ i actually agree with DM. Sydney has a bigger population, with more codes, greater crowds, and more blockbuster events. <br><br>
Auckland would sell out for their one, maybe 2 all black tests a year. A national stadium only makes sense if you play all your AB games in Auckland. And maybe your super finals -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="572716" data-time="1460791279"><p>Albany is in a shit location. Wales, Scotland and Ireland both have national rugby stadiums which are either bigger or better than Eden Park.</p></blockquote><br>They also don't play Internationals all over their country. New Zealand also has more "large" towns.
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<p>They also don't play Internationals all over their country. New Zealand also has more "large" towns.</p>
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<p>Not to mention Wales, Scotland and Ireland are all basically right next to each other AND England and France. We don't have that advantage.</p> -
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<p>They also don't play Internationals all over their country. New Zealand also has more "large" towns.</p>
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<p>We've got Brisbane and Canberra.</p>
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<p>Anyway - I think the reconfiguration of Homebush is a good idea, in terms of watching the actual game. But the debate over on GAGR is about whether rugby gets any benefit out of it.</p>
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<p>In short, not much. One Test per year, maybe.</p>
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<p>A lot of Sydney rugby fans - mainly those within sight of salt water - bitch about going to Homebush because there is nothing to do there. And on that point, they're right. Though I've had some pretty good food at the hotels there, the pub scene isn't much.</p>
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<p>Another complaint is the ground is "soulless" and the atmosphere dead. Which is mainly because Sydney rugby fans are shit at supporting their team and too busy watching rugby like its a giant television instead of a sporting event or a stock broker's conference.</p>
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<p>The SFS is about 50km one-way for me, so there'd better be somewhere decent to drink when I get there. I can only imagine the eastern fans feel the same about Homebush... well except there are express services from Central for big games and its not nearly 50km for a lot of them. </p>
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<p>Keep in mind that the same "rugby people" couldn't be arsed showing up to a Sunday afternoon game against the Rebels. Or the season opener in 2015 after we'd just won a Premiership with a record crowd.</p>
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<p>But the NRL and soccer will be loving the new config at Homebush. If there's any money left over after that and (the desperately needed) Parramatta Stadium upgrade, maybe the SFS will benefit.</p> -
Ive been to homebush a few times , Bledisloes, NRL grand finals,<br><br>Nice stadium , but compared to Melbourne , where the major stadiums are right in the heart of the city, that place is in the middle of nowhere
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The anti sports stadia brigade do my head in.<br>
The amount of bloody whinging that went on up here when Okara Park was upgraded and dragged itself out of the Jurassic period was mind boggling. Yet I didn't see nor hear any complaints when the same council spent truckloads of money on a new library. <br>
It is a building I have never set foot in, I have no need to. But I'm happy for Whangarei to have this flash new library as I realise it's an important part of society - for some people. Am I going to cry about my rates being spent on it, even though I've never been there, or plan on going there? No.<br>
What's my point?<br>
Well, I'm most certainly over generalising here, but it'd be nice if people with interests other than sports in this country could look beyond themselves and accept that a modern sports stadium is an important part of a City's culture, just like a bloody library or theatre is, so pull your head in.<br>
Sorry rant over, back on topic...<br>
Good on Aussie for having their shit sorted with their stadiums. <br>
Maybe our politicians should take notes on how to get shit done!</p></blockquote>
There was actually moaning about building a new library...what's wrong with the current one, spend the money elsewhere, no one ever uses it etc (I use the library a lot)...many of the arguments very much the same as the Stadium, just replace the word stadium with library (even Hundertwasser) I read an article someone posted about the upgrade to Okara the first time, and the arguments were the same then too.<br><br>
People always love to get on the soapbox and claim they speak for us all. <br><br>
At Dogmeat...well Albany is an interesting case, I think it is an area really struggling with its own identity and having a team that struggles with the resources they have probably doesn't help either. -
Albany is a fail because nobody wants to go out there due to the ridiculous traffic problems in and out of the ground. Even when it's half full it takes hours to get out after the match. Plus there are no public transport options. It's bus, bus or bus through the heavy traffic on the harbour bridge. Realistically the majority of Aucklanders just cannot make it to the ground on weekdays so weekends is the only time you can hold anything, and then you have to allocate an extra few hours of your day to account for traffic.<br><br>
Eden Park at least has a decent rail link which makes it at least a viable option, but again it is multiple trains for anyone not in West Auckland.<br><br>
The Waterfront stadium has been a big success in Wellington due largely to its location. I don't see why Auckland couldn't have something similar. -
<p>I've never had issues with traffic, but then aside from the Chiefs/Blues in 1997 and AB/Samoa in 99, I've only been to provincial stuff there so numbers were not huge.</p>
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<p>These are the 2016 fixtures at the Aviva Stadium:</p>
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<p>7<sup>th</sup> Feb. 2016 Ireland v Wales (15.00hrs)</p>
<p>12<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Ireland v Italy (13.30hrs)</p>
<p>19<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Ireland v Scotland (17.00hrs)</p>
<p>25<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Switzerland (19:45hrs)</p>
<p>29<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Slovakia (19:45hrs)</p>
<p>2<sup>nd</sup> Apr. 2016 Leinster v Munster (17:30hrs)</p>
<p>8<sup>th</sup> May 2016 Ulster Bank League Final </p>
<p>14<sup>th</sup> May 2016 FAI Junior & Intermediate Cup Finals</p>
<p>27<sup>th</sup> May 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Netherlands</p>
<p>3<sup>rd</sup> Sept. 2016 Boston College v Georgia Tech</p>
<p>6<sup>th</sup> Oct. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Georgia</p>
<p>6<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 FAI Cup Finals 2016</p>
<p>12<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 Ireland v Canada</p>
<p>19<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 Ireland v New Zealand</p>
<p>26<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 Ireland v Australia</p>
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<p>That's it. The stadium did cost $700,000 million. I don't see why something like that couldn't be built in Auckland. It would get far better used than the Aviva with the Warriors and Blues as regular tenants.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="572942" data-time="1460857852"><p>The stadium did cost $700,000 million. I don't see why something like that couldn't be built in Auckland.</p></blockquote><br>New Zealand couldn't afford it?
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<p>These are the 2016 fixtures at the Aviva Stadium:</p>
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<p>7<sup>th</sup> Feb. 2016 Ireland v Wales (15.00hrs)</p>
<p>12<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Ireland v Italy (13.30hrs)</p>
<p>19<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Ireland v Scotland (17.00hrs)</p>
<p>25<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Switzerland (19:45hrs)</p>
<p>29<sup>th</sup> Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Slovakia (19:45hrs)</p>
<p>2<sup>nd</sup> Apr. 2016 Leinster v Munster (17:30hrs)</p>
<p>8<sup>th</sup> May 2016 Ulster Bank League Final </p>
<p>14<sup>th</sup> May 2016 FAI Junior & Intermediate Cup Finals</p>
<p>27<sup>th</sup> May 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Netherlands</p>
<p>3<sup>rd</sup> Sept. 2016 Boston College v Georgia Tech</p>
<p>6<sup>th</sup> Oct. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Georgia</p>
<p>6<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 FAI Cup Finals 2016</p>
<p>12<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 Ireland v Canada</p>
<p>19<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 Ireland v New Zealand</p>
<p>26<sup>th</sup> Nov. 2016 Ireland v Australia</p>
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<p>That's it. The stadium did cost $700,000 million. I don't see why something like that couldn't be built in Auckland. It would get far better used than the Aviva with the Warriors and Blues as regular tenants.</p>
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<p>$700 billion for a 50k seating stadium?!</p> -
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<p>--$700,000 million</p>
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<p>New Zealand couldn't afford it?</p>
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<p>Albany is a fail because nobody wants to go out there due to the ridiculous traffic problems in and out of the ground. Even when it's half full it takes hours to get out after the match. Plus there are no public transport options. It's bus, bus or bus through the heavy traffic on the harbour bridge. Realistically the majority of Aucklanders just cannot make it to the ground on weekdays so weekends is the only time you can hold anything, and then you have to allocate an extra few hours of your day to account for traffic.<br><br>
Eden Park at least has a decent rail link which makes it at least a viable option, but again it is multiple trains for anyone not in West Auckland.<br><br>
The Waterfront stadium has been a big success in Wellington due largely to its location. I don't see why Auckland couldn't have something similar.</p>
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<p>I'm actually not trying to defend Albany. I only used it to rebut the ridiculous "if you build it they will come" argument.</p>
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<p>However how many times have you been to Albany? By car I can be home 15 minutes after leaving the ground (when it's full) and I live Northcotr Point so effectively the same journey as the CBD</p>
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<p>I reckon you could be in Pukekohe an hour after the game finishes.</p>
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<p>It always seems to me that the criticism of Albanys location (<15kms from Queen St) is led by people who have never made the journey.</p>
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<p>The Harbour Bridge handle 200K vehicles/day. Are you seriously saying the 30K at the stadium has that much of an impacT</p> -
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<p>I'm actually not trying to defend Albany. I only used it to rebut the ridiculous "if you build it they will come" argument.</p>
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<br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="573017" data-time="1460882351"><p>I'm actually not trying to defend Albany. I only used it to rebut the ridiculous "if you build it they will come" argument.<br><br>
However how many times have you been to Albany? By car I can be home 15 minutes after leaving the ground (when it's full) and I live Northcotr Point so effectively the same journey as the CBD<br><br>
I reckon you could be in Pukekohe an hour after the game finishes.<br><br>
It always seems to me that the criticism of Albanys location (<15kms from Queen St) is led by people who have never made the journey.<br><br>
The Harbour Bridge handle 200K vehicles/day. Are you seriously saying the 30K at the stadium has that much of an impacT</p></blockquote>
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My comment was based on the traffic chaos surrounding the U20 Soccer WC.<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/68992441/Traffic-chaos-leaves-world-football-fans-disappointed">http://i.stuff.co.nz/68992441/Traffic-chaos-leaves-world-football-fans-disappointed</a><br><br>
I wonder what was different when you went? Because it was farking chaos for the Soccer, largely due to the lack of public transport options meaning the majority of people took their cars. Albany isn't that far away if there is no traffic on the road, but as soon as traffic starts building it can turn into a gridlock pretty quickly. Trying to get out there during peak hour traffic after work on a weekday is not something I'm going to attempt.
