Sydney Stadiums Rennovations
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<p>Having lived there ages ago, I've always thought that sport in Australia was the major driver in creating nationalism</p>
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<p>It seemed that sport and the success from it was about the only thing Aussies agreed on</p>
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<p>In Australia, if it's to do with sport, shit gets done. This would never happen in NZ, too many roadblocks by too many self-interest groups. </p>
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<p>Sport is absolutely a self-interest group. 1.6 billion is a lot of money but if they want to spend it that is their business</p> -
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<p>Sport is absolutely a self-interest group. 1.6 billion is a lot of money but if they want to spend it that is their business</p>
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<p>cheers for the input?</p>
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<p>It just surprises me that someone could decry self-interest groups while not acknowledging that most people want a stadium built on the Auckland waterfront out of self interest.</p> -
<p>I'd say on the contrary, that Australia is one of the very few countries that actually gets sport right. </p>
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<p>It is big, it is huge and thus it should have huge amounts of govt money spent on it. It's captures a nations interest, it drives 20,000 people to one place twice a week, and over double that for the big ones. It occupies a huge percentage of childrens time when outside school, and it's provides some of the highest television ratings day on day, week on week.</p>
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<p>It's what's talked about my a large percentage of the population when they have time to free talk, it gets dedicated segments to all media, every single day, and has the ability to control peoples emotions and feelings for days and weeks on end.</p>
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<p>Having the right, and best infrastructure available for this topic should be a key part of any govt (local, regional or national) agenda. </p> -
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<p>Sport is absolutely a self-interest group. 1.6 billion is a lot of money but if they want to spend it that is their business</p>
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<p>Hey, piss off to your knitting forum!!! ;)</p>
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<p>MR: Would you feel the same about govt investment in movies? I'd say, aside from getting the kids out and running around the movie industry covers nearly all those boxes.</p>
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<p>Ps: I'm all for a waterfront stadium for Auckland and anything they can do to make Homebush into a ground you actually want to go watch matches at.</p> -
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<p>MR: Would you feel the same about govt investment in movies? I'd say, aside from getting the kids out and running around the movie industry covers nearly all those boxes.</p>
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<p>I see your point, but I know I don't flick furiously to the 'movies' section of the newspaper each day...</p> -
<p>FTR, I wouldn't be adverse to the central government contributing to an Auckland waterfront stadium probably up to about $200 million. I can just see why other people would find that to be a waste of money and I don't really think those people should call be nimbys or other such names.</p>
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<p>Hey, piss off to your knitting forum!!! ;)</p>
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<p>MR: Would you feel the same about govt investment in movies? I'd say, aside from getting the kids out and running around the movie industry covers nearly all those boxes.</p>
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<p>Ps: I'm all for a waterfront stadium for Auckland and anything they can do to make Homebush into a ground you actually want to go watch matches at.</p>
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<p>It's entertainment, so I could understand why they would. But there is a colossal difference in the number of people playing sport to making movies.</p>
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<p>FTR, I wouldn't be adverse to the central government contributing to an Auckland waterfront stadium probably up to about $200 million. I can just see why other people would find that to be a waste of money and I don't really think those people should call be nimbys or other such names.</p>
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<p>Somebody's got to think of those fuckin' children eh Hydro.</p> -
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<p>I see your point, but I know I don't flick furiously to the 'movies' section of the newspaper each day...</p>
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<p>You don't rush to the movies section of the Fern to find out what crappy 80s music soundtrack Tim is pushing? Then flick over to the Star Wars thread to re-watch the Rogue trailer?</p>
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<p>My point, isn't really a point, as in I don't think it's the same but it just made me think about it when I saw MR's list of things.</p> -
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<p>It's entertainment, so I could understand why they would. But there is a colossal difference in the number of people playing sport to making movies.</p>
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<p>(not including every tom dick and harry with a selfie stick)</p>
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<p>Why would playing sport and making movies be a good comparison? Stadiums are more about getting people to watch sport than getting people to play it.</p> -
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<p>You don't rush to the movies section of the Fern to find out what crappy 80s music soundtrack Tim is pushing? Then flick over to the Star Wars thread to re-watch the Rogue trailer?</p>
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<p>My point, isn't really a point, as in I don't think it's the same but it just made me think about it when I saw MR's list of things.</p>
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<p>Banned and double banned! Those soundtracks are solid gold, my friend.</p> -
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<p>Banned and double banned! Those soundtracks are solid gold, my friend.</p>
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<p>No, no they are not. An intervention is in your not too distant future my friend.</p> -
The anti sports stadia brigade do my head in.<br><br>
The amount of bloody whinging that went on up here when Okara Park was upgraded and dragged itself out of the Jurassic period was mind boggling. Yet I didn't see nor hear any complaints when the same council spent truckloads of money on a new library. <br>
It is a building I have never set foot in, I have no need to. But I'm happy for Whangarei to have this flash new library as I realise it's an important part of society - for some people. Am I going to cry about my rates being spent on it, even though I've never been there, or plan on going there? No.<br><br>
What's my point?<br><br>
Well, I'm most certainly over generalising here, but it'd be nice if people with interests other than sports in this country could look beyond themselves and accept that a modern sports stadium is an important part of a City's culture, just like a bloody library or theatre is, so pull your head in.<br><br>
Sorry rant over, back on topic...<br><br>
Good on Aussie for having their shit sorted with their stadiums. <br><br>
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<p>'straya mate, greatest country in the world!</p>
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<p>I'm starting to think they may have a point. Fantastic forward thinking.</p>
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<p>Im not sure you would be saying that while you are sitting in traffic for 2 hours trying to get to the ground though. Being forward thinking is definitely not something you can accuse any Australian/State Governments of being I'm afraid.</p> -
<p>A touch off point but perhaps some perspective about 'sports mad'. I lived in the USA for a couple of years in a college (university) city about the size of Hamilton. The stadium seated 105,000 and each home football game (including pre-season) was sold out. Even the local high schools would get close to 10,000 at each game and it was shown live on TV, radio etc... The place was off the hook!</p>
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<p>Now I am not advocating that we can replicate that however - nor would we want to. The college sport and high school feeder systems was very flawed in so many ways.</p> -
<p>Gaga boy, do the yanks <em>play </em> sports though?</p>
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<p>I remember being shocked when asking adult football fans what position they play or if they still play and realising that while we keep turning out on saturdays, a lot of them never play or stop at school</p>
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<p>The notion of lower grade sports (senior B's 3rd Grade Presidents grade etc) seemed to be non existent. Similarly the old go down to the rugby/cricket club and see the lads type of thing</p>
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<p>Do they have these competitions and set ups for team sports like we do or not? Does amateur football or baseball exist (I assume it does, but maybe not like in Aus, NZ England etc)</p>
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Hasn't worked with Albany <br><br>
Any stadium in Sydney has a catchment of 4 mill within 90 mins travel. That makes an enormous difference <br><br>
A waterfront stadium would be a monumental mistake for akl. Stadiums are basically 13 story blank walls that are filled (in NZ) a couple of times a year<br><br>
The whole waterfront stadium was all piss and wind and the fact it appears again in the media every few years is so fucking boring <br><br>
NZ doesn't have the scale for a purpose built stadium of any size so whatever we do will involve compromise. <br><br>
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<p>Hasn't worked with Albany<br><br>
Any stadium in Sydney has a catchment of 4 mill within 90 mins travel. That makes an enormous difference<br><br>
A waterfront stadium would be a monumental mistake for akl. Stadiums are basically 13 story blank walls that are filled (in NZ) a couple of times a year<br><br>
The whole waterfront stadium was all piss and wind and the fact it appears again in the media every few years is so fucking boring<br><br>
NZ doesn't have the scale for a purpose built stadium of any size so whatever we do will involve compromise.<br><br>
But I guess it supports the kiwi national sport of whinging so all good.</p>
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<p>Albany is in a shit location. Wales, Scotland and Ireland both have national rugby stadiums which are either bigger or better than Eden Park.</p>
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<p>A new stadium could get:</p>
<ol><li>7 blues games per season</li>
<li>12 Warriors games</li>
<li>5 ITM Cup games</li>
<li>at least 2 All Blacks tests</li>
<li>maybe some playoff games</li>
<li>Rugby league tests</li>
<li>Nines (maybe also the 7's if the nines move away)</li>
</ol><p>In Wellington we have food shows, the marathon, Armageddon, craft beer festivals and all that crap as well. There is no reason you can't get 50 days of use out of a new stadium.</p>
