Rugby Commentators/Presenters
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@snowy said in Rugby Commentators:
As I understand it, it doesn't matter if the ball has gone out, you still can't advance until put onside?
Dunno quite where you'd find that in the Laws, but it doesn't sound right to me.
Surely, once the ball is in touch - that phase of play is ended. If the other team wants to take a quick throw in that's their choice and risk?
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@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@snowy said in Rugby Commentators:
As I understand it, it doesn't matter if the ball has gone out, you still can't advance until put onside?
Dunno quite where you'd find that in the Laws, but it doesn't sound right to me.
Surely, once the ball is in touch - that phase of play is ended. If the other team wants to take a quick throw in that's their choice and risk?
Correct. It was debated quite heavily a few years back as quick throws became a popular attacking option..Once the ball is out then play has stopped and you can only be offside during play.
You can still be offside advancing before the ball has crossed touch though.
Henry's take on it was worth discussing. He was looking to open up more attacking options and if players were getting away with crowding off the QT option from a kick that happened behind them he was trying to see if something could be done rules wise. -
@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@snowy said in Rugby Commentators:
As I understand it, it doesn't matter if the ball has gone out, you still can't advance until put onside?
Dunno quite where you'd find that in the Laws, but it doesn't sound right to me.
Surely, once the ball is in touch - that phase of play is ended. If the other team wants to take a quick throw in that's their choice and risk?
I didn't find it in the laws, as I said, it did come from Ted, so I was hoping that he knew what he was talking about. He was probably talking about players advancing full stop. They need to be put onside until the AR puts the flag up to enable a quick throw in, until then the ball is in play.
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Fucken hell I am so fucking sick of kiwi commentators not knowing the laws and then moaning about the ref playing to the laws.
You were an AB tight forward Kane, how do you not understand must stay connected?
Why do the kiwi commentators have to do such poor advertising of the game.
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@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones Given Hames was the most penalised forward in Super Rugby one season, perhaps it isn't so surprising that he has no idea.
Oh I didn't know that, I thought he was just being deliberately obtuse so that he could have a go at the ref, but maybe not.
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The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
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@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
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Swannell is the new bench mark for the game calling role. Clear, accurate and comprehensive with names and adds apt adjectives to what we can see for ourselves. Good at her job.
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@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?
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@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:
@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?
Probably all that you mention is correct but we have a contest, that isn't a contest, doesn't help. The whole point of top level sport is a match up. Depending on how you define match. I like this one:
a person or thing that is equal to another in quality or strength. -
@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:
Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?
AB's have underwhelmed for several years, lots of top players have left and most squads are a bit thin, and the Crusaders have dominated for years. Not a lot to be enthusiastic about for most posters.
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@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!However, the Blacks Caps don't suck.
The fern has changed a bit. Possibly become accurate?
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@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
Fucken hell I am so fucking sick of kiwi commentators not knowing the laws and then moaning about the ref playing to the laws.
You were an AB tight forward Kane, how do you not understand must stay connected?
Especially as Hames is a ref himself. He seems happy to criticise other refs in commentary though.
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@siam said in Rugby Commentators:
Swannell is the new bench mark for the game calling role. Clear, accurate and comprehensive with names and adds apt adjectives to what we can see for ourselves. Good at her job.
Yeah the only one who is not painfull to listen to
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I like Swannell I thinks she's great. I like Laban as well even though he's a Wainui man...but that fact he is Polynesian and knows how to pronounce the names added to this, his call is accurate, he's not an excitable fan boy and doesn't try to insert "boomfa" or "I take Umbrage with that call", he's the voice for me.
*Fixed lol
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@raznomore said in Rugby Commentators:
I like Swannell I thinks she's great. I like Laban as well even though he's a Wainui man...but that fact he is Polynesian and knows how to pronounce the names added to the fact his call is accurate, not an excitable fan boy and doesn't try to insert "boomfa" or "I take Umbridge with that call" are major pluses for me.
The only umbrage I take with Laban is that he mixes his league and union language.
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I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
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@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:
I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
Shirley, you are taking the piss.
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@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move. -
@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:
I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
Fuck. Off.
Ever tried running backwards through a field of dicks?
Or chowing down on a bowl of cold flaccid dicks?
Fuck.
Leigh Hart couldn't commentate an order at the pub. Christ, he can hardly speak.
And the ACC - are typically of mild amusement for approximately 5 minutes. After that... well, it's just the first 5 minutes on a repeat loop anyway, with rapidly diminishing returns with each re-hashed lame joke.
Fuck. Leigh Hart and the ACC. Off. -
@kruse said in Rugby Commentators:
@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:
I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
Fuck. Off.
Ever tried running backwards through a field of dicks?
Or chowing down on a bowl of cold flaccid dicks?
Fuck.
Leigh Hart couldn't commentate an order at the pub. Christ, he can hardly speak.
And the ACC - are typically of mild amusement for approximately 5 minutes. After that... well, it's just the first 5 minutes on a repeat loop, with rapidly diminishing returns with each re-hashed lame joke.
Fuck. Leigh Hart and the ACC. Off.i really like you
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@mariner4life said in Rugby Commentators:
@kruse said in Rugby Commentators:
@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:
I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
Fuck. Off.
Ever tried running backwards through a field of dicks?
Or chowing down on a bowl of cold flaccid dicks?
Fuck.
Leigh Hart couldn't commentate an order at the pub. Christ, he can hardly speak.
And the ACC - are typically of mild amusement for approximately 5 minutes. After that... well, it's just the first 5 minutes on a repeat loop, with rapidly diminishing returns with each re-hashed lame joke.
Fuck. Leigh Hart and the ACC. Off.i really like you
Awww, shucks.
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Stuff like the ACC is an extended version of morning radio jocks that have to host a show in groups so that someone is there to provide laughter.
Flashes of humour but mostly circle jerking. -
@kruse said in Rugby Commentators:
@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:
I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
Fuck. Off.
Ever tried running backwards through a field of dicks?
Or chowing down on a bowl of cold flaccid dicks?
Fuck.
Leigh Hart couldn't commentate an order at the pub. Christ, he can hardly speak.
And the ACC - are typically of mild amusement for approximately 5 minutes. After that... well, it's just the first 5 minutes on a repeat loop anyway, with rapidly diminishing returns with each re-hashed lame joke.
Fuck. Leigh Hart and the ACC. Off.I must say I was expecting this rant and it didnโt disappoint.
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Another vote for Swannell - reminds me of a good ref in that you don't really notice her - just calls the game without an agenda or without a grating voice.
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@crucial thanks, for years I didn't know what second man play meant. I just thought it was 2nd receiver dying with the ball to set up a pod or cut back in.
So it literally just means skip pass?
What a waste of syllables.Gotta go, I've got so much work to do today that I think I'll "second man play" lunch๐. Madness
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@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.Edges
Francis Douglas Memorial College
Insert other school name here
Mis-pronunciation of non Polynesian names -
@siam said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial thanks, for years I didn't know what second man play meant. I just thought it was 2nd receiver dying with the ball to set up a pod or cut back in.
So it literally just means skip pass?
What a waste of syllables.Gotta go, I've got so much work to do today that I think I'll "second man play" lunch๐. Madness
Isn't it where the third player runs an unders line, and the ball gets passed behind him to the second man running wide?
(Even unders sound leagueish)
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@booboo said in Rugby Commentators:
@siam said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial thanks, for years I didn't know what second man play meant. I just thought it was 2nd receiver dying with the ball to set up a pod or cut back in.
So it literally just means skip pass?
What a waste of syllables.Gotta go, I've got so much work to do today that I think I'll "second man play" lunch๐. Madness
Isn't it where the third player runs an unders line, and the ball gets passed behind him to the second man running wide?
(Even unders sound leagueish)
Yeah, that too. Usually when the second man cuts back against the grain and another player from behind runs into a pass that goes behind the second guy. In simple terms though its is still a cut out, just that the receiver has entered the line late. Anyway the term comes from league and only started in union when refs decided that dummy runners and passing behind players was legit. If you think back to the McQueen Brumbies era we used to call it gridiron.
Yes, edges is another example he uses.
It's just hybrid language in places like Wainuiomata where the culture is often playing both codes and the players and coaches are the same.
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@mn5 said in Rugby Commentators:
@kruse said in Rugby Commentators:
@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:
I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
Fuck. Off.
Ever tried running backwards through a field of dicks?
Or chowing down on a bowl of cold flaccid dicks?
Fuck.
Leigh Hart couldn't commentate an order at the pub. Christ, he can hardly speak.
And the ACC - are typically of mild amusement for approximately 5 minutes. After that... well, it's just the first 5 minutes on a repeat loop anyway, with rapidly diminishing returns with each re-hashed lame joke.
Fuck. Leigh Hart and the ACC. Off.I must say I was expecting this rant and it didnโt disappoint.
Awww, shucks.
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@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.
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@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:
@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?
A little from column A, a little from column B.
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@antipodean said in Rugby Commentators:
@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:
@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?
A little from column A, a little from column B.
Nah, mostly column A. Reckon column B is quite entertaining.
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@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.
I finished up in early 90s and don't think we ever tried it. I think we all thought it'd be shepherding (another olde rugger term). We just had cut backs, miss passes, fullback coming in, wipers kicks or a combination of them all
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@siam said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.
I finished up in early 90s and don't think we ever tried it. I think we all thought it'd be shepherding (another olde rugger term). We just had cut backs, miss passes, fullback coming in, wipers kicks or a combination of them all
Does that tally with you young 'uns?Well we'd just abbreviate, because that made it top secret!
DM - double miss, who knew! M2, M3....can you guess? Fuck me it became confusing when I moved to the UK and M2 was actually M1, not to mention every team having a move called "Rangi".
You forgot "Loop" also. I think the closest we had to a second man play was called DB, 10 to 12, 10 loops and gets it back then skips to 15.
And thus ends yet another inspiring lesson of "Shit I didn't need to know".
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@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
And thus ends yet another inspiring lesson of "Shit I didn't need to know".
Oh contrare Blackadder, by far the best post of yours I've ever read. Awesome we jaunt down memory lane.๐
Rangi? Really? quite surprised at the cultural misappropriation- nah just joshing. Obviously passed on by kiwis before you.
Loop, like a double round yeah? Nasty one for a slow and slovenly ball passer to get smashed.
Confession; if passing the ball to the guy cutting back was there a best way to flick him the ball. I mean left or right because one way left you front on and t'other turned your back on the defence...I think. Like he gets it just before running by you or just after running by you If that's not explained well enough, just ignore and I'll happily go to my grave not knowing๐
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@siam said in Rugby Commentators:
Swannell is the new bench mark for the game calling role. Clear, accurate and comprehensive with names and adds apt adjectives to what we can see for ourselves. Good at her job.
For me, the benchmark for game-calling is the UK's Andrew Cotter - the bloke is really, really good.
But yeah, I also enjoy Rikki Swannell's commentary - like you I think she's bloody good and the best in NZ.
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