The Daily Mail
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy</a></p> -
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<p>I have a problem with it as if you follow your line of reason to its logical conclusion. <em><strong>Then businesses should not do anything to damage shareholders profits.</strong></em> And I think that there is strong support for North Carolina's move amongst more conservative voters.</p>
<p>If Paypal are concerned about shareholders, they would not be taking a stance like this. It seems like Paypal are saying .. we take a moral stand unless it effects profits.....</p>
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<p>I think they shouldn't take <strong><em>a pointless</em></strong> moral stance if it damages their shareholders. Also it dependeds on how many stakeholders it affects.</p>
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<p>So a law in the US that will affect their US employees & that they have a genuine shot at changing, they can balance that duty to employees & the chance of success against any negatives. In contrast they campaign against Saudi law, they have no employees there, and their chance of doing anything is zero. So its literally destroying shareholder value to have a PR wank.</p>
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<p>Just a constant amazement to me how so called gay friendly companies do absolutely nothing to push gay freedoms (from death) in foriegn countries... why? because it is to expensive?</p>
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<p>I get your point and yes, I think its because of that. But also because its pointless. If Paypal pulled out of all the "bad" places Ali-Pay would just become the worlds no. 1 payment system & those places would continue being bad. They'd change mnothing.</p>
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<p>Companies should only flex their morals when the benifits outweigh the costs. If you want crusading companies who happily destroy their own wealth pointlessly you end up with Oxfam. </p> -
Is this really in the best interests of PayPal's shareholders? Trannies being allowed to use the female dunnies might be huge on Twitter and close to the heart of Bruce Springsteen but I question whether the vast majority of the US gives a shit.
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<p>Is this really in the best interests of PayPal's shareholders? Trannies being allowed to use the female dunnies might be huge on Twitter and close to the heart of Bruce Springsteen but I question whether the vast majority of the US gives a shit.</p>
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<p>Its more that it is something PayPal can make a moral stand on without hurting their shareholders. Companies do it all the time. Apple is all for human rights, except where it might cut their iPhone margin, or it wants to protect the data of its users, except for when it can commercialise it.</p>
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<p>My point is more companies should ideally have some morals, but those morals should be at least a wee bit flexible when it adversly affects shareholdere value. Pick your fights & chose the ones you can win & that have the greatest positive affect to your stakeholders.</p>
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<p>It's also something that can generate a lot of free publicity and win customers. I may be a cynic but I think most CSR related stuff is done with commercial interest very much in mind.</p>
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<p>I don't agree in this case, doing nothing would not have meant pro-gay rights people started boycotting them, but doing this will have lost them some anti-tranny folks. Re the hollywood studio boycott that one is about appeasing their core of staff - hollywood is liberal as fuck, but the paypal one nope.</p> -
<p>But do you think there's any net financial gain to PayPal from this?</p>
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<p>But do you think there's any net financial gain to PayPal from this?</p>
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<p>I'm just guessing now, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was some boycott threat from the SF mob and the twitter warriors. If that's the case then shouldn't they be equally outraged that PP is operating in countries where homosexuality is illegal?</p>
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<p>No I don't. And there is zero chance the twitter mob were going to boycott Paypal. There are thousands of companies operating in that state, they have zero reason to specifically target Paypal, anymore than they would boycott Whole Foods or Starbucks for having stores there.</p>
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<p>If they were going to target companies they would look at campaign contributors in the state and target them. And even there the number of activists who would go to that length is almost zero. No one arm twisted Paypal into doing this. I think they are equally outraged, but that level of outrage is "me'h". </p>
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<p>I don't buy the arguement "you shouldn't try to change the things you can because you aren't trying just as much to change the things you can't" </p> -
Do you think this was something that needed to be changed?
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<p>Do you think this was something that needed to be changed?</p>
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<p>I don't really care, I have given up entirely on the idea that large parts of the US are materially different in terms of bigoted religion driven madness from Iran or Pakistan.</p>
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<p>I don't really care, I have given up entirely on the idea that large parts of the US are materially different in terms of bigoted religion driven madness from Iran or Pakistan.</p>
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<p>But the guys at Paypal clearly did. Hence they tried.</p>
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<p>Hang on..... you are comparing parts of the US for religious bigotry to Iran or Pakistan?</p>
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<p>Have you been to any of these places, actually experienced them? I have, and I can guarantee they are not remotely similar in religious tolerance fr freedoms.</p> -
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I don't really care, I have given up entirely on the idea that large parts of the US are materially different in terms of bigoted religion driven madness from Iran or Pakistan.<br><br>
But the guys at Paypal clearly did. Hence they tried.</p></blockquote>
Yes, because prohibiting men from using female toilets is the same as hanging gays from cranes.<br><br>
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<p>Hang on..... you are comparing parts of the US for religious bigotry to Iran or Pakistan?</p>
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<p>Have you been to any of these places, actually experienced them? I have, and I can guarantee they are not remotely similar in religious tolerance fr freedoms.</p>
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<p>I'm comparing the attitudes yes.</p>
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<p>There is a big overlap between the more liberal parts of Pakistan or Iran & the hard religious right areas in the US.</p>
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<p>And yes, been to both Paklistan & Iran - Iran several times. And there are a lot of overlaps, things like race, religion guiding policy, attitudes to womens rights to healthcare, abortion. Things like the fact many top US polititians think the earth is 6,000 years old & that should be taught in school & try to legislate for that. There have been multiple supreme court cases to let Texas & Kentucky courts keep displaying the 10 commandments.</p>
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<p>Stem cell research is a great example, the religious right have fought tooth & nail as its an abomination against god & forces people to abort babies, Iran has embraced it because it might cure paralysis. IE a scientific breakthrough is being pushed in Iran & hindered in the US because of religion.</p>
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<p>No question most of Iran is waaaaay out there compared to most of the US. But there is an overlap. Anytime you have most of one parties presidential candidates at best "not sure" re evolution & at worst flat out rejecting it you are not that far from elements of theocracy</p>
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<p>People hugely over estimate how crazily religious much of Iran in particular is, and underestimate how out there big chunks of the US are.</p> -
<p>Stuff is having a shocker today. Lead story is that KFC Blenheim is under-staffed. You can't make this shit up.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/80187690/lack-of-staff-at-kfc-blenheim-and-others-around-new-zealand-results-in-long-wait-times-for-fast-food'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/80187690/lack-of-staff-at-kfc-blenheim-and-others-around-new-zealand-results-in-long-wait-times-for-fast-food</a></p>