KP - WTF
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<p>Yep. As Nick would say, don't be afraid to have the odd Willis if it helps relieve a bit of tension.</p>
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<p>Edit - t<strong>here's some material to use in the Movie Review thread if you need it.</strong></p>
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<p>Sorted.</p> -
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<p>How is it difficult to believe? He moved to England because he wasn't getting a fair shake in RSA, it would only make sense he would do the reverse if the Proteas are willing to give him an opportunity.</p>
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<p>What happened before the Ashes was an absolute embarrassment for the ECB - Pietersen rightfully should play elsewhere after that.</p>
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<p>Difficult to believe because he has had a great career playing for one country and it seems very odd (to me at least) that he would:-</p>
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<p>1.Wish to play for another country.</p>
<p>2.Be wanted by another country.</p>
<p>3.Qualify to play for another country.</p>
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<p>On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike</p>
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<p>Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y</p>
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<p>Prior by all accounts is a massive asshole. KP in contrast is just a bit thick.</p>
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<p>KP is an idiot & loves himself, but he has been the guy who carried England time after time (2005 Ashes, India tour, 2010 T20 WC) & he was prepared to do anything to get back playing & Strauss shafted him because he (Strauss) had a personal issue with him. To say KP is a mercenary implies he didn't care if England won or lost so long as he did well, thats bollocks, KP cared hugly about England cricket.</p>
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<p>I'd love to see him playing T20 for SA, if only because he's one of the greatest players of the last 20 years. Dumb as a box of hair. But a wonderful player. </p> -
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<p>On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike</p>
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<p>Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y</p>
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<p>He said more than that. He recommended ways to bowl to Strauss. </p> -
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<p>He said more than that. He recommended ways to bowl to Strauss. </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/8945613/andrew-strauss-admits-he-was-dumbfounded-by-kevin-pietersen-text-scandal'>http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/8945613/andrew-strauss-admits-he-was-dumbfounded-by-kevin-pietersen-text-scandal</a></p>
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<p>Not according to Strauss</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/58711/strauss-reveals-details-of-kp-text-saga'>http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/58711/strauss-reveals-details-of-kp-text-saga</a></p>
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<p>"After being dropped for the Test, KP admitted sending 'provocative' text messages and after the match came to my house and sincerely apologised. I accepted his apology and hold no grudges against him. <em><strong>I am also confident, in retrospect, that he did not give the South Africans information on how to get me out. </strong></em>The far greater issue was one of trust. There were many involved with English cricket, including myself, who felt particularly let down. Stuff that should have stayed in the dressing room had been played out in front of the media."</p> -
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<p>On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike</p>
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<p>Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y</p>
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<p>Prior by all accounts is a massive asshole. KP in contrast is just a bit thick.</p>
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<p>KP is an idiot & loves himself, but he has been the guy who carried England time after time (2005 Ashes, India tour, 2010 T20 WC) & he was prepared to do anything to get back playing & Strauss shafted him because he (Strauss) had a personal issue with him. To say KP is a mercenary implies he didn't care if England won or lost so long as he did well, thats bollocks, KP cared hugly about England cricket.</p>
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<p>I'd love to see him playing T20 for SA, <strong>if only because he's one of the greatest players of the last 20 years. </strong>Dumb as a box of hair. But a wonderful player. </p>
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<p>No way.....and this is coming from a big fan of his work.</p> -
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<p>No way.....and this is coming from a big fan of his work.</p>
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<p>For me he's one rung below Lara and Sewag & similar to Laxman in that all were able to play inings virtually no one else in the game could. His 180 odd in India in 2012 was astonishing. Even Indian commentators rate that as one of the best played there. His 150 odd to win the ashes in 2005 was pretty special too. Not Lara-esqe.. but not far off.</p> -
<p>I don't follow cricket but this is apparently his wife</p>
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<p><img src="http://media1.santabanta.com/full1/Global Celebrities(F)/Jessica Taylor/jessica-taylor-1v.jpg" alt="jessica-taylor-1v.jpg"></p> -
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Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike<br></p></blockquote>
Wasn't that Joe the cameraman? Everyone believes ... oops knows that. -
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<p>Oh my mistake - must have missed the memo that changed the English language :think:</p>
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<p>Fancy a cup of tea (better virg?
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<p>Sorry I did mispeak there I meant to say they were more mercenary than KP. That doesn't make them mercenaries in my eyes but if you have a standard where KP is considered one then those guys well and truly are too - that was my point. There are dozens of recent players that have put personal glory/pride ahead of their country than KP.</p> -
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<p>Sorry I did mispeak there I meant to say they were more mercenary than KP. That doesn't make them mercenaries in my eyes but if you have a standard where KP is considered one then those guys well and truly are too - that was my point. There are dozens of recent players that have put personal glory/pride ahead of their country than KP.</p>
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<p>Indeed, I'd love to see Chris Gayle turn down the IPL for a season to get fit for the Windies test team.... or McCullum not retire at his peak to play 12 months a year T20 tournaments globally. Or any number of NZ players not retire at 33/34 & then play elsewhere cough Stephen Fleming or even just skip out of the warm up for tours to play IPL & turn up out of rythm & bowl shithouse throwing away a test as they are unable to revert to test line 24 hours after getting off the plane half fit from warming the bench at their franchise where thay aren't even good enough to be selected...</p>
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<p>In the global "will play for money, national alliegance less so" KP is a long way from the worst.</p> -
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<p>Or any number of NZ players not retire at 33/34 & then play elsewhere cough Stephen Fleming</p>
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<p>Fair play to Flem, Bracewell was a maniac at the time and his was one of many unexpected retirements out of the national team including Astle before the CWC! Macca, Styirs, Vincent, Marshall and Bond all called it quits around then because they couldn't be bothered working in that environment (while earning less lets be honest).</p>
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<p>He played a single season of IPL and a copule more for Wellington in T20 and that was it. I think after 10 years captaining and carrying the batting - especially for that team he just was burnt out.</p> -
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<p>For me he's one rung below Lara and Sewag & similar to Laxman in that all were able to play inings virtually no one else in the game could. His 180 odd in India in 2012 was astonishing. Even Indian commentators rate that as one of the best played there. His 150 odd to win the ashes in 2005 was pretty special too. Not Lara-esqe.. but not far off.</p>
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<p>Again, stylishly he was top notch ( not unlike Gower and M Waugh ) and I loved watching him in full flight, but in the last 20 years the likes of Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Kallis, Dravid, Hayden and quite a number of others are in a higher echelon.</p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/8945613/andrew-strauss-admits-he-was-dumbfounded-by-kevin-pietersen-text-scandal'>http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/8945613/andrew-strauss-admits-he-was-dumbfounded-by-kevin-pietersen-text-scandal</a></p>
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<p>Not according to Strauss</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/58711/strauss-reveals-details-of-kp-text-saga'>http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/58711/strauss-reveals-details-of-kp-text-saga</a></p>
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<p>"After being dropped for the Test, KP admitted sending 'provocative' text messages and after the match came to my house and sincerely apologised. I accepted his apology and hold no grudges against him. <em><strong>I am also confident, in retrospect, that he did not give the South Africans information on how to get me out. </strong></em>The far greater issue was one of trust. There were many involved with English cricket, including myself, who felt particularly let down. Stuff that should have stayed in the dressing room had been played out in front of the media."</p>
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<p>Wow, there you go. Like any media the inflammatory stuff goes public like crazy, and then the truth is barely even revealed.</p>
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<p>I still stand by comments though that there is much much more to this story than Joe Public knows.</p> -
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<p>Fair play to Flem, Bracewell was a maniac at the time and his was one of many unexpected retirements out of the national team including Astle before the CWC! Macca, Styirs, Vincent, Marshall and Bond all called it quits around then because <em><strong>they couldn't be bothered working in that environment</strong></em> (while earning less lets be honest).</p>
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<p>I prefer the aussie option where you just ignore a coach you don't like, call him an asshole & carry on playing for your country & take another 300 odd wickets. I really don't get the "someone was a bit of an ass to me so I gave up playing for my country"</p>
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<p>The issue re Fleming seemed far more that he wanted to carry on as test captain, while Bracewell wanted just one captain across all formats. So Fleming bailed. Almost like the complete opposite to Ross Taylor or Steve Waugh or Shiv Chandapaul.</p>
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<p>You are right that Bracewell created a hugely toxic environment, but I still think Fl;eming could have stuck it out, its not like he was geting dropped like Marshall, Macca or Vincent</p>
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<p>On the county front, Ryder, Marshall & Noema-Barnett all in action -</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/946947.html'>http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/946947.html</a></p> -
On a more serious note James Taylor forced to retire at 26 with heart condition <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36024253'>http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36024253</a>
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<p>On a more serious note James Taylor forced to retire at 26 with heart condition <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36024253'>http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36024253</a></p>
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<p>Thats fricking tragic, just cemented his place in the ODI side & got a run in the test team.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10px;">Its Phil Hughes all over again. Only he's in the test & ODI team. And not dead.</span></p>
