Boxing Thread
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@dice Punch stats are like tackle stats - they don't lie (sometimes they do), but they don't tell the whole story either. Parker's work from the middle of round 4 onwards was far more effective than Chisora's as Chisora began to gas from the mid rounds and although he may have been landing with a very ineffective jab and pitter patter punches in the clinch, a lot of Parker's work was hurting Chisora which outweighed Chisora's workrate which was having little effect on Parker.
Case in point being round 12. Yes, Chisora worked more throughout the round, but Parker would have stolen the round on a lot of cards with a couple of 2-3 punch combos which hurt Chisora during the middle of the round. I thought Chisora just nicked the round as Parker didn't quite do enough other than that short burst, but the point is, is that rounds will be given to the fighters who do the better work in rounds, not necessarily the guy who lands more.
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@african-monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@chris-b That's why the WBC funnily enough have decided to try a new weight division (Bridgerweight) where 224 pounds is the weight limit, but yes, to answer your question, someone weighing 95-100 kg would drop down to Cruiserweight (unles your Deontay Wilder).
Bridgerweight sounds like a good idea - slightly shit name!
It's a bit weird that the lower weight divisions have only 3-4 lbs separation - but, then you get to Heavyweight and suddenly you could readily have 30kgs between fighters.
Could easily have Bridgerweight and then another division from 100-110kgs. Heavyweight above that.
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@african-monkey I agree about punch stats, although I sort of think this one reflects the fight for me.
I think most had it as a close fight. I think that's why so many were mad at that 116 - 111 scorecard. I don't think it was a robbery like some thought though.
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@dice Yeah we all see it differently I guess. I didn't have a problem with 116-111 myself, but at the same time, there were some rounds in there that could have gone Chisora's way.
Interesting to see where Parker goes from here. No need for a rematch I feel as he'd beat Chisora more comfortably than last time, but most of the top guys are tied up at the same time.
Maybe he could fight the winner of Hunter v Hrgovic?
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Watched a bit of it on the way to golf and it just looked like the same old JP. No killer instinct and just cant seem to let his hands go.
Suspected the fight to go in a very similar fashion to what it did and managed to get a nice pay from the TAB at $13 for parker by split decision.
They are talking about a rematch and the possibility of it being quite soon. Meh!
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
A question for those who follow boxing more closely.
The Heavyweight class officially starts at 90.71kg.
So technically, Beauden Barrett - if he were to take up boxing - would fight as a heavyweight.
Which would line him up against Parker (Richie McCaw size) or Chisora (Kieran Read) or Tyson Fury (Nepo Laulala).
If you're Beaudy, you'd drop a couple of kgs and box a weight class down. But, someone who is naturally 95-100kgs - they're way outmatched fighting someone good and as big as Fury.
Where do they fight?
Aren't the old weight classes a bit outdated now everyone on average is much bigger?
Fury himself admitted he’d be no match for greats of the 70s-90s all of whom he is considerably bigger than.
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Lots of fights yesterday. But will focus of JP vs Chisora and Ruiz vs Arreoala
JP won that fight. He out pointed Chisora easily. But not 116-111. Thats some corrupt or incompetent judging. JP showed great conditioning. He took some ridiculous damage to the body and never looked troubled from it. Chisora was busy ish but he left it too late to take he fight back. Especially after some good work in the first 3 rounds(obviously got the 8 second knock down). I actually thought it was an interesting and watchable fight. Lots of people seem to think otherwise. JP still lacks the power to knock off the big guys in the division. The guys with the thick necks like Chisora has and yes as mentioned he doesn't have the killer instinct to close it out when he's got a fighter troubled. Just wants that one or two punch KO. It's a shame because if he got past the fact he can't knock guys out, I mean if he embraced being able to throw 3-4 quick punches before his opponent even gets set to counter. He'd probably win more convincingly. Lots of unanswered punches usually lead to KOs or stoppages anyway. I did see some progression but not tons.
The Ruiz fight highlighted one thing. Ruiz chin ain't shit. Yes he won but had he been hit buy one of the big 3? Lights out. Also I don't know why he wears his belt so low. The belt does give some protection if it's where it's typically is, above the naval. But he's giving his opponent more area to hit freely. I think he's done.
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Also, my cousin who is a life long boxer and coach reckons I'm off he mark, but he can get fucked. I think Parker is fighting in the wrong division. Too late to change now but if he'd gone down one weight class years ago he'd have been a champion. Yeah he was a HW champ but that belt was a hometown gift.
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@raznomore You reckon? I guess if this Bridgerweight division kicks off then maybe at a stretch but at Cruiser?! Big call.
Haven't seen the Ruiz v Arreola fight yet but why has Arreola taken so long to finally take his career seriously and get himself into shape? He wasted his prime turning up to big fights out of shape and was shot to bits about 5 or so years back, but now took Ruiz deep and pushed Kownacki to the brink as well in his previous fight. He's had a strange career.
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@african-monkey he's naturally heavyweight but the speed of his punches, lesser reach would have been better suited had he gone down.
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@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
Also, my cousin who is a life long boxer and coach reckons I'm off he mark, but he can get fucked. I think Parker is fighting in the wrong division. Too late to change now but if he'd gone down one weight class years ago he'd have been a champion. Yeah he was a HW champ but that belt was a hometown gift.
I have often thought that too, Problem is , the money fights are in heavyweight not cruiserweight , and the lure is probably the money more than belts anyway as much as fighters will say the opposite:)
Which is why usyk is there now. No doubt he is more dominant down a division.
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
A question for those who follow boxing more closely.
The Heavyweight class officially starts at 90.71kg.
So technically, Beauden Barrett - if he were to take up boxing - would fight as a heavyweight.
Which would line him up against Parker (Richie McCaw size) or Chisora (Kieran Read) or Tyson Fury (Nepo Laulala).
If you're Beaudy, you'd drop a couple of kgs and box a weight class down. But, someone who is naturally 95-100kgs - they're way outmatched fighting someone good and as big as Fury.
Where do they fight?
Aren't the old weight classes a bit outdated now everyone on average is much bigger?
If beaudy switched to boxing ( totally hypothetical)
He would shred plenty of weight as well , he would fight a lot lighter than he plays rugby .
Unless you are a natural heavyweight, you fight at the lightest weight possible where you think you can maintain some power, it’s a balancing act to where you think you get the best advantage , kind of an opposite mindset to rugby where you try and play heavy as possible without losing athleticism.
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In the biggest fight of the year to date this Saturday
We have a stand off and a threat to walk over ring size.
Canelo obviously holds the advantage in a smaller ring , billy joe the mover in a bigger ring .
With no ring size stipulation in the contract , the plan was 18 foot , bjs team said too small we aren’t fighting, they have offered them 20 foot , they are saying it’s 22 feet or it’s see ya later .
With 70,000 tickets sold , massive ppv s sold we have a massive disaster on our hands if they can’t come to an agreement.
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@kiwiinmelb and this, right here, is just another reason boxing is a joke.
Great sport, but professional boxing is just shit.
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@kiwiinmelb Yeah.
A bit like now that Richie is doing his enduro events, I bet he's closer to 90kgs than his 108kg playing weight.
But, isn't it weird that someone who can't get himself below 91 kgs is potentially fighting Fury.
There should be at least three divisions above 90kgs in my opinion.
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Yeah.
A bit like now that Richie is doing his enduro events, I bet he's closer to 90kgs than his 108kg playing weight.
But, isn't it weird that someone who can't get himself below 91 kgs is potentially fighting Fury.
There should be at least three divisions above 90kgs in my opinion.
Whilst the weight limits are a bit outdated ( they came in when 90kg was considered pretty huge ) there’s still room for “smaller” fighters to do well if they have the talent.
You can’t tell me that any heavyweight today would beat a prime
FransBothaMike Tyson or Joe Frazier who both fought under the ton at their best.More recently Deontay Wilder came in at an early Ian Jones like 96kg at 6 foot 7.........but he has the power to trouble anyone of any size.
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@mn5 Might be rose-coloured spectacles?
Isn't that a bit like saying no-one today could possibly be a better lock than Colin Meads?
In almost every measurable athletic achievement, athletes are significantly faster, stronger, higher - I'm inclined to think that would be true of boxing, as well.
Fury to knock Ali the fuck out!
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Yeah.
A bit like now that Richie is doing his enduro events, I bet he's closer to 90kgs than his 108kg playing weight.
But, isn't it weird that someone who can't get himself below 91 kgs is potentially fighting Fury.
There should be at least three divisions above 90kgs in my opinion.
The other thing that can be deceiving ,
in the other divisions a fighter can get on the scales at a certain weight , and be a lot heavier by fight time , so it can be deceiving how big they really are compared to their division weight limits would have you think.
For example In the super middle weight fight this weekend , the weight limit is 72.5 kilos ,its a bit of a science , they will weigh in on that limit , and they will probably get in the ring closer to 80 or more a day later by the time they re hydrate and eat what they need to bulk up for that extra bit of power . Both those guys probably walk around at about 90 or more out of camp. Still fit but not at fight weight .
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 Might be rose-coloured spectacles?
Isn't that a bit like saying no-one today could possibly be a better lock than Colin Meads?
In almost every measurable athletic achievement, athletes are significantly faster, stronger, higher - I'm inclined to think that would be true of boxing, as well.
Fury to knock Ali the fuck out!
I don’t think it applies as much to a fighting sport as much as it does to a power sport like Rugby. In saying that I think Meads would still compete today as a loose forward.......
The physiques of Sonny Liston, George Foreman ( early days ), Ali, Ken Norton, Joe Frasier etc more than favourably compare to bloated heavyweights of today like Fury and Ruiz. Sure Fury is enormous, tough ( amazing how he got up after Wilder knocked him down ) and a great boxer but for whatever reason he’s in no way a power puncher like guys before him. Ruiz is a fat guy who happens to be an exceptional boxer and a man who beat the huge and jacked as fuck Anthony Joshua.
It’s not a coincidence that Boxing isn’t held in the same esteem it used to be.
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@mn5 An interesting thing I've discovered from reading Terry McLean's old books is that Pinetree played quite a few games (in his earlier years) as a loose forward. 8 of his 55 tests, and plenty of tour games.
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