2021 Crusaders
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@kiwi_expat said in 2021 Crusaders:
Honestly the level of discord on here is reaching a new low..
Derpus is an ozzie, and has been hoping for more variety of tournament winners ...
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but but culcha! internal development! intangibles!
good move, there isn't a team in the world that wouldn't do this deal (although doesn't he play the same position as their two best loose forwards) but let this be the end of the sanctimony aye? The Crusaders are good because the accumulate good talent, and have a coach who points them in the right direction.
i really hope this happens. It's always good to get good players playing here. If i won lotto i would buy players for the Chiefs.
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@toddy said in 2021 Crusaders:
They knew Matera would be a good fit into their culture once they saw the racist tweets.
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@bovidae said in 2021 Crusaders:
Grace or Blackadder will be riding the pine.
Could he play openside instead? Generally the other Argentinean flanker is a lock/loose forward like Kremer, so I don't think Argentina necessarily view flankers in the same way we do.
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I don't think the Crusaders' backrow is half as bad as people are saying. But with Blackadder having relatively few caps for his age due to injury, Grace being 21 years and Christie 23 years old (the top tacler before he got injured, this season), the first choice backrow is pretty green.
Sanders has the expierence at 27, but also breaks regularly, and has been pretty good the last 2 seasons when he played.
Their depth has been lacking with Douglas going downhill since his first year when he replaced injured Kieran Read (2017?). Sione Havili is also only 23, but may not have the potential.
Signing Matera may be a masterstroke. Grace just can't play every game at his age and Matera is a great player he can learn from. In the mean time, Anton Segner and other youngsters coming through can learn as well, before they're thrown into the deep end.
Still not a fan of signing foreign players, but maybe there are not enough good NZ backrowers at the moment?
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@derpus said in 2021 Crusaders:
@canes4life I sincerely wish the Crusaders would just fuck off, honestly. How the fuck do they need Pablo fucking Matera?
Because we want to keep dominating all the Aussie teams and have to keep up with the Western Force who are the United Nations with Kiwis,Irishman,Argies,SA And English players
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@stargazer said in 2021 Crusaders:
I don't think the Crusaders' backrow is half as bad as people are saying. But with Blackadder having relatively few caps for his age due to injury, Grace being 21 years and Christie 23 years old (the top tacler before he got injured, this season), the first choice backrow is pretty green.
Sanders has the expierence at 27, but also breaks regularly, and has been pretty good the last 2 seasons when he played.
Their depth has been lacking with Douglas going downhill since his first year when he replaced injured Kieran Read (2017?). Sione Havili is also only 23, but may not have the potential.
Signing Matera may be a masterstroke. Grace just can't play every game at his age and Matera is a great player he can learn from. In the mean time, Anton Segner and other youngsters coming through can learn as well, before they're thrown into the deep end.
Still not a fan of signing foreign players, but maybe there are not enough good NZ backrowers at the moment?
Brilliant Move a real hard arse LF to teach the young pups like Grace.
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@mariner4life said in 2021 Crusaders:
but but culcha! internal development! intangibles!
good move, there isn't a team in the world that wouldn't do this deal (although doesn't he play the same position as their two best loose forwards) but let this be the end of the sanctimony aye? The Crusaders are good because the accumulate good talent, and have a coach who points them in the right direction.
i really hope this happens. It's always good to get good players playing here. If i won lotto i would buy players for the Chiefs.
Well said great move by the Crusaders.
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How is the German tank coming along? Iād forgotten about Segner.
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@billy-tell Played very well at the SRA Under 20 tournament. He captained the Crusaders U20s. Strong & good decision maker. If he doesn't make the senior squad next year, it will surely be the next.
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@stargazer said in 2021 Crusaders:
@billy-tell Played very well at the SRA Under 20 tournament. He captained the Crusaders U20s. Strong & good decision maker. If he doesn't make the senior squad next year, it will surely be the next.
Itās an awesome story imo. Would be great to have a German lad leave home, shine at all levels and make the ABs. Iād love to see him steamrolling the poms at twickenham. Panzer jokes galore. Time will tell.
As for matera. Savage. That is a great signing. Iād ditch the current 7 havili, just not at this level.
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I'm sick of the Crusaders, used to love the way they played basically ever since Mehrtens' time. Now they're cynical as fuck, led by Barrett. They just cheat every time they're under any pressure.
That's just a whinge and not on topic: Matera is a great signing, he's a gun and seeing blokes like that play is always a good thing. He may keep out someone at the Crusaders, but they'll learn from him, and everyone else in opposition gets value from the increased standard. -
@stargazer said in 2021 Crusaders:
I don't think the Crusaders' backrow is half as bad as people are saying. But with Blackadder having relatively few caps for his age due to injury, Grace being 21 years and Christie 23 years old (the top tacler before he got injured, this season), the first choice backrow is pretty green.
Sanders has the expierence at 27, but also breaks regularly, and has been pretty good the last 2 seasons when he played.
Their depth has been lacking with Douglas going downhill since his first year when he replaced injured Kieran Read (2017?). Sione Havili is also only 23, but may not have the potential.
Signing Matera may be a masterstroke. Grace just can't play every game at his age and Matera is a great player he can learn from. In the mean time, Anton Segner and other youngsters coming through can learn as well, before they're thrown into the deep end.
Still not a fan of signing foreign players, but maybe there are not enough good NZ backrowers at the moment?
This is absolute bullshit. The NZRFU talk about looking after Clubs and Provinces yet every decision they make is other arrow to the heart of the clubs and provinces.
This is about another super franchise not wanting to do the hard work to win a competition with local talent. Our SR teams are for developing our players not for coaches to win competitions with foreign players. The NZRFU has lost touch with its communities and just spins corporate bullshit - because itās now run by Businessmen who want to āgrow the gameā and they always start at the top, with their trickle down theories. Every year itās something new - private ownership of Super Rugby teams, Private ownership of the All Blacks.
Between elite school boy rugby, academies, U20 Super Sides, and foreign players the Club/ Province structures that made NZ different and stronger are being eroded. NZ rugby is now all about short term success and a chase for players at increasingly younger (starting with school boys ) ages - itās the way of professional sport. This while the Provinces chase the crumbs by competing with each other for players and success. What they donāt see is that their position is being eroded because their club and provincial competitions are being made redundant bit by bit with every decision. Itās right there in front of them. Turkeys vote for Xmas all the time.
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@kev said in 2021 Crusaders:
@stargazer said in 2021 Crusaders:
I don't think the Crusaders' backrow is half as bad as people are saying. But with Blackadder having relatively few caps for his age due to injury, Grace being 21 years and Christie 23 years old (the top tacler before he got injured, this season), the first choice backrow is pretty green.
Sanders has the expierence at 27, but also breaks regularly, and has been pretty good the last 2 seasons when he played.
Their depth has been lacking with Douglas going downhill since his first year when he replaced injured Kieran Read (2017?). Sione Havili is also only 23, but may not have the potential.
Signing Matera may be a masterstroke. Grace just can't play every game at his age and Matera is a great player he can learn from. In the mean time, Anton Segner and other youngsters coming through can learn as well, before they're thrown into the deep end.
Still not a fan of signing foreign players, but maybe there are not enough good NZ backrowers at the moment?
This is absolute bullshit. The NZRFU talk about looking after Clubs and Provinces yet every decision they make is other arrow to the heart of the clubs and provinces.
This is about another super franchise not wanting to do the hard work to win a competition with local talent. Our SR teams are for developing our players not for coaches to win competitions with foreign players. The NZRFU has lost touch with its communities and just spins corporate bullshit - because itās now run by Businessmen who want to āgrow the gameā and they always start at the top, with their trickle down theories. Every year itās something new - private ownership of Super Rugby teams, Private ownership of the All Blacks.
Between elite school boy rugby, academies, U20 Super Sides, and foreign players the Club/ Province structures that made NZ different and stronger are being eroded. NZ rugby is now all about short term success and a chase for players at increasingly younger (starting with school boys ) ages - itās the way of professional sport. This while the Provinces chase the crumbs by competing with each other for players and success. What they donāt see is that their position is being eroded because their club and provincial competitions are being made redundant bit by bit with every decision. Itās right there in front of them. Turkeys vote for Xmas all the time.
It happens every season now it seems, As far as my memory can remember these players all played for NZ teams when they were NZ ineligible,Which is want you are saying above as I understand it.
HIGHLANDERS
Kazuki Himeno,Fumiaki Tanaka,James Haskell,Vilimoni Delasau,Seru Rabeni ,Pingi Tala'apitaga
BLUES
Joe Marchant,Christian Califano,,Rupeni Caucaunibuca,,Brian Lima,John Senio ,Apenisa Naevo
CHIEFS
Tyler Arden,Mahonri Schwalger,Junior Poluleuligaga,Matt Symons,Asaeli Tikoirotuma
CRUSADERS
Marika Vunibaka,,Digby Ioane,Nemani Nadolo,Pablo Matera
HURRICANES
Kobus van Wyk,Inoke Afeaki,Sireli Bobo,Alapati Leiua,,Anthony Perenise ,Apisai NaikatiniThere probably is a lot more.
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@chris Wes Goosen is eligible for NZ.
Piers Francis was still NZ eligible when he played for the Blues, I think.
Tony Lamborn is NZ born and has lived here all his life, so a bit different from the others.
Michael Ala'alatoa was eligible for NZ until the 2019 RWC.
