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<p>This sucks. It's his first gig and he will have to show just how nuetral he is by being kinder to the Blues than he would be to the Chiefs! Bloody excellent!</p>
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<p>I agree. It is unnecessarily difficult for the guy.</p>
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<p>Didn't he run touch in the Chiefs/Crusaders game? I think it was that game that Justin Marshall was laughing in the comms as Ellis went to give the touchie a mouthful and realised it was a former team mate.</p> -
<p>Let's just take a minute to be thankful that Marshall never became a referee.</p>
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<p>tug a jersey? red card. stand offside? not material, see it a million times a game. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="570357" data-time="1460024291">
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<p>I can't see why Nutbrown should be liable to bias - it's not like any other refs have just appeared out of thin air! They all come from somewhere and were probably pretty passionate about rugby there which gave them an interest....</p>
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<p>I think it is more the perception of bias making things difficult that we are commenting on. Surely if he was to make a tough call favouring the Chiefs there would be comments made? Or maybe he will try too hard to not favour them.</p>
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<p>I can't see why Nutbrown should be liable to bias - it's not like any other refs have just appeared out of thin air! They all come from somewhere and were probably pretty passionate about rugby there which gave them an interest....</p>
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<p>Followign on from Crucial's response - it is like neutral refs. Refs from NZ shouldn't be biased towards teh ABs, but they put in neutrals to avoid the appearnce of a potential conflict of interest.</p> -
<p>just look at Justin Marshall and how he tries to appear impartial most of the time!</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="570201" data-time="1459977087"><p>
Further to that prediction, this thread will be at 10 pages by this time next week. Full of <del>Chiefs fans</del> Crucial crying about refereeing decisions that went against them.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="570422" data-time="1460068220">
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<p>The irony of Cantabs ...</p>
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<p>I haven't whinged about a ref all year on here.</p>
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<p>I think it's the worst side of NZ rugby fans, whenever we lose we always blame the ref.</p> -
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<p>I haven't whinged about a ref all year on here.</p>
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<p>I think it's the worst side of NZ rugby fans, whenever we lose we always blame the ref.</p>
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<p>wait, what? I'm not saying "we" don't. But to limit your comment to NZers means you don't read social media from any other country in the world. Or any other sport. </p>
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<p>I actually think there has been very little ref bashing on here over the past couple of years, for any level of game. Yes, questions will be raised in games about rulings, but i don't remember too many results being blamed on refs.</p> -
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<p>wait, what? I'm not saying "we" don't. But to limit your comment to NZers means you don't read social media from any other country in the world. Or any other sport. </p>
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<p>I actually think there has been very little ref bashing on here over the past couple of years, for any level of game. Yes, questions will be raised in games about rulings, but i don't remember too many results being blamed on refs.</p>
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<p>I think the ref bashing on here has increased this year.</p>
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<p>Most match threads that involve an NZ team have at least one bloke doing just that. (including the Crusaders threads)</p>
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<p>Point taken about other sports I don't follow..</p>
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<p>I follow rugby, cricket, cycling and athletics with passion. Of those I think NZ and South African rugby are the the ones who most often look to blame others for our losses (refs or officials).</p> -
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<p>I think the ref bashing on here has increased this year.</p>
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<p>Most match threads that involve an NZ team have at least one bloke doing just that. (including the Crusaders threads)</p>
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<p>Point taken about other sports I don't follow..</p>
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<p><strong>I follow rugby, cricket, cycling and athletics with passion. Of those I think NZ and South African rugby are the the ones who most often look to blame others for our losses (refs or officials).</strong></p>
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<p>You clearly haven't spent much time in Australia.</p>
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<p>For what's it worth I think the standard of refereeing in super rugby has dropped the last few years and the expansion probably hasn't helped with resources stretched thinner with more games to ref. Ditching neutral refs doesn't help either and that's their own fault.</p> -
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<p>You clearly haven't spent much time in Australia.</p>
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<p>I was born in Australia, have dual citizenship, Aussie and NZ passports and have spent 8 of the last 16 years there.</p> -
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<p>I was born in Australia, have dual citizenship, Aussie and NZ passports and have spent 8 of the last 16 years there.</p>
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<p>Fair enough. Which part of Australia? Living in Sydney the fans are super quick to blame the ref when it goes wrong (Super Rugby semi final last year v Highlanders springs to mind straight away). </p>
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<p>Having said that - I think ref-bashing doesn't necessarily mean blaming the ref for the loss - I thought Lees was horrible in his reffing performance for the Reds-Blues game but not the blame for the loss - the Blues were worse for most of the match.</p> -
<p>so you are being willfully ignorant, or exaggerating for effect. Fill your boots</p>
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<p>Fair enough. Which part of Australia? Living in Sydney the fans are super quick to blame the ref when it goes wrong (Super Rugby semi final last year v Highlanders springs to mind straight away). </p>
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<p>Having said that - I think ref-bashing doesn't necessarily mean blaming the ref for the loss - I thought Lees was horrible in his reffing performance for the Reds-Blues game but not the blame for the loss - the Blues were worse for most of the match.</p>
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<p>I was born in Australia, have dual citizenship, Aussie and NZ passports and have spent 8 of the last 16 years there.</p>
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<p>I think the ref bashing on here has increased this year.</p>
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<p>Most match threads that involve an NZ team have at least one bloke doing just that. (including the Crusaders threads)</p>
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<p>Too many people jump to concluding that any discussion mentioning how the ref went is ref bashing though.</p>
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<p>Most of the time no one is blaming the ref for the result just critiquing their performance as we do the players. If they make particularly puzzling or debatable calls then that is good fodder for discussion. </p>
<p>I've lost count of the times I have posted about a ref and within a couple of replies someone is accusing me of blaming the ref for the result when I have done no such thing.</p>
