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Rancid Schnitzel

Actually to be fair I really think he is being genuine. If I'd been given just 2 weeks for that I'd have thanked SANZAAR too.

MajorRage

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Why would it if you're presenting an early guilty plea and seeking a reduction due to your genuine remorse and good character?
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Because it's reality.

antipodean

Whatever.

Crucial

So let's assume that Mr Pocock is a genuinely remorseful guy that had no intention to do anything wrong (even if he does come across as a nob )
 
None of that removes the fact that what he did was a very dangerous ecample of why players must take care not to grab around the head/neck area in a maul, and WR have decreed should be stamped on heavily.
 
It doesn't matter how genuine or heartfelt his apology is, he placed the welfare of another player at risk of serious injury.
 
My gripe is that I cannot see why the JO considered the act warranted a 'low entry point'. 
 
Intent and remorse get taken into account in mitigation of the ban length NOT in determining the seriousness.

antipodean

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So let's assume that Mr Pocock is a genuinely remorseful guy that had no intention to do anything wrong (even if he does come across as a nob )
 
None of that removes the fact that what he did was a very dangerous ecample of why players must take care not to grab around the head/neck area in a maul, and WR have decreed should be stamped on heavily.
 
It doesn't matter how genuine or heartfelt his apology is, he placed the welfare of another player at risk of serious injury.
 
My gripe is that I cannot see why the JO considered the act warranted a 'low entry point'. 
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Agreed. But the conveyancing barrister is an expert.
 
The whole process is a joke. If a player is going to enter a plea of guilty, why bother having a judicial officer? You've been charged with being an inveterate fluffybunny which carries a sanction of two weeks. Plea of guilt gets 50% off.

Crucial

I know it is a common legal thing but I have issue with reductions for pleading guilty, especially in the way that SANZAAR do it.
 
The JO basically says 'if you plead guilty I will give you this ruling which takes into account your early guilty plea'. 
 
That means there is an incentive for the JO to set a low penalty to get a result.

taniwharugby

if you murder someone, do you get time taken off for pleading guilty?

barbarian

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if you murder someone, do you get time taken off for pleading guilty?
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I think your demeanour is taken into account, no? If you are seen to show contrition, apologise etc then the judge certainly can take that into account...

SammyC

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if you murder someone, do you get time taken off for pleading guilty?
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This is getting ridiculous, you sound like Brian O'Driscoll.

Mokey

Not sure about murder, but I've read plenty of situations where an early guilty plea has reduced a sentence - apparently this reduces trauma for victim/family etc not having to be part of a prolonged court saga.

barbarian

I am fine with Pocock's response to this, and I think it was the right thing to do.
 
The media painting him as some sort of saint annoys me though. He is getting plaudits for doing this, which makes no sense because at the end of the day he still did it, and will be sitting out the next two weeks because of it. It was a play that was at best reckless, and certainly dangerous. 
 
His apology should be greeted with a nod of the head, but nothing more. Certainly not vigorous applause.
 
That's not Pocock's fault, though.

taniwharugby

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This is getting ridiculous, you sound like Brian O'Driscoll.
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Why?

SammyC

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Why?
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Likening the rugby judiciary to a murder trial.
 
Reminded me of his "I could have died comment"

MajorRage

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I am fine with Pocock's response to this, and I think it was the right thing to do.
 
The media painting him as some sort of saint annoys me though. He is getting plaudits for doing this, which makes no sense because at the end of the day he still did it, and will be sitting out the next two weeks because of it. It was a play that was at best reckless, and certainly dangerous. 
 
His apology should be greeted with a nod of the head, but nothing more. Certainly not vigorous applause.
 
That's not Pocock's fault, though.
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Yep, 100% agree Barb.
 
AT the risk, or intention, of adding fuel to the fire .. have a read of this load of thrashwank!
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-07/david-pocock-shows-sporting-world-how-to-make-an-apology/7306588?section=sport'>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-07/david-pocock-shows-sporting-world-how-to-make-an-apology/7306588?section=sport</a>

barbarian

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AT the risk, or intention, of adding fuel to the fire .. have a read of this load of thrashwank!
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-07/david-pocock-shows-sporting-world-how-to-make-an-apology/7306588?section=sport'>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-07/david-pocock-shows-sporting-world-how-to-make-an-apology/7306588?section=sport</a>
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Holy shit. That is vomit inducing. The trigger line for said vomiting has to be this one:
 
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Let's break it down, line for line, and analyse its excellence.
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Fucking hell.

mariner4life

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Why?
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because you sound like a whiny Irish fluffybunny, that's why.

mariner4life

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Yep, 100% agree Barb.
 
AT the risk, or intention, of adding fuel to the fire .. have a read of this load of thrashwank!
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-07/david-pocock-shows-sporting-world-how-to-make-an-apology/7306588?section=sport'>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-07/david-pocock-shows-sporting-world-how-to-make-an-apology/7306588?section=sport</a>
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wow. just... wow.

taniwharugby

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Likening the rugby judiciary to a murder trial.
 
Reminded me of his "I could have died comment"
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I wasn't likening it to it, with lawyers involved in the judiciary process, you would argue that they treat it like a real court room, so was an actual question, not trolling cos Leitch coulda died worse than BOD.

mariner4life

for fuck's sake you two, it's "doid" not "died", get it right!

SammyC

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I wasn't likening it to it, with lawyers involved in the judiciary process, you would argue that they treat it like a real court room, so was an actual question, not trolling cos Leitch coulda died worse than BOD.
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pfffffffft,
 
this thread still sounds like 11 pages of whinging to me, very BOD like :)

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