ICC T20 World Cup

Billy Tell

Couple of quick questions for the aficionados
 
1) What would have happened if the scores had finished tied?
 
2) If a batsman is caught out, but the batsmen have crossed and are starting to come back for a possible 2nd run (if catch had been dropped), does the first run count?
 
Tx

gollum

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Moral victory, no way the BCs would lose to Afghanistan :fishing:
 
Heard Samuels calling out Warne, that was good humour but what was the deal with Sammy and Mark Nicholas ?
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"Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh are short of class but will cope okay with the conditions. West Indies are short of brains but have IPL history in their ranks. New Zealand are worth a look for they have a savvy bunch of scrappers and some mighty hitting power to boot."
 
He didn't say "typical blacks, athletically great, dumb as shit", but I'm pretty sure thats what the Windies heard. Writing for his Aussie audience again I guess...
 
 
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Back to the money side of things I remember being mates of a mate of a guy who knows James Franklin who earned 168k US for a couple of months in India and naturally whenever he went out with Tendulkar by his side ( which the team did every night they weren't playing ) he never had to reach in his pocket. Not bad for a guy who was tenuously in and out of the Black Caps at the time and was confused what his role in the team actually was.
 
But then a guy like Guptill doesn't even get an IPL contract at all ?????? some shit sure makes no sense.
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Same in the UK where Franklin has always had zero problem getting very high paying contracts - and has delivered. He's one of those guys that NZ crowds don't rate at all yet teams that pay on results have always paid top dollar for. He had a period where he was getting slagged off if mentioned near the BCs yet Mumbai were paying him a shit ton to open with Sachin & Gloucs were paying him a similarly large amount to play as their overseas pro. Middlesex just named him as their 50 over captain at a time when most BCs couldn't get a gig in the UK if they begged.
 
Over the last 10 years he's probably been on of the consistently highest earning NZ cricketers. And it's backed up on the pitch, more 1st class tons than Cairns - in less games, and took his wickets at a better average. 
 
The Fern however hates him. But I'm not sure I'd give a shit if I were Franklin.

MN5

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"Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh are short of class but will cope okay with the conditions. West Indies are short of brains but have IPL history in their ranks. New Zealand are worth a look for they have a savvy bunch of scrappers and some mighty hitting power to boot."
 
He didn't say "typical blacks, athletically great, dumb as shit", but I'm pretty sure thats what the Windies heard. Writing for his Aussie audience again I guess...
 
 
 
Same in the UK where Franklin has always had zero problem getting very high paying contracts - and has delivered. He's one of those guys that NZ crowds don't rate at all yet teams that pay on results have always paid top dollar for. He had a period where he was getting slagged off if mentioned near the BCs yet Mumbai were paying him a shit ton to open with Sachin & Gloucs were paying him a similarly large amount to play as their overseas pro. Middlesex just named him as their 50 over captain at a time when most BCs couldn't get a gig in the UK if they begged.
 
Over the last 10 years he's probably been on of the consistently highest earning NZ cricketers. And it's backed up on the pitch, more 1st class tons than Cairns - in less games, and took his wickets at a better average. 
 
The Fern however hates him. But I'm not sure I'd give a shit if I were Franklin.
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cricinfo confirms his first class stats are very impressive, for a guy who pretty much started as a "bowler who could bat" nearly 9000 runs at 36 is a hell of a return. Similarly considering he couldn't buy a test wicket towards the end of his career 456 wickets at 27 is awesome. He's almost our very own Mark Ramprakash.

gollum

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cricinfo confirms his first class stats are very impressive, for a guy who pretty much started as a "bowler who could bat" nearly 9000 runs at 36 is a hell of a return. Similarly considering he couldn't buy a test wicket towards the end of his career 456 wickets at 27 is awesome. He's almost our very own Mark Ramprakash.
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Yeah, very similar, some guys just struggle to step up. Tho' he had a problem in that he played alongside Cairns & Oram, both of whom were better at test level so he was never sure of his place. Or if he got in it was just til Cairns was <strike>fixed</strike> made healthy

aucklandwarlord

At least we've finally found a death bowler worse than Kyle Mills...

KiwiPie

ICC Team of the tournament
 
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barbarian

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Couple of quick questions for the aficionados
 
1) What would have happened if the scores had finished tied?
 
2) If a batsman is caught out, but the batsmen have crossed and are starting to come back for a possible 2nd run (if catch had been dropped), does the first run count?
 
Tx
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1. They would have played a 'super over', which gives each team one over each to score as many as possible.
 
2. No it doesn't.

Siam

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Word is the powers that be are going to regulate bat dimensions. Heard 70mm "deep". Source is a Cricket Aus/BBL coach 
 
Think that means Khawaja and Warner's current bats would be too big 
 
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Plans have been identified to include a sth and a north island team in BBL in about 3-4 years. </blockquote>
 
Update,50mm will be the depth limit.Warner and khawaja bats are about 70 to 80 mm 
Well thats what I heard

gollum

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Just let the Aussie approach come into play more & it evens it up...
 
Hard but fair.

Godder

Another reason James Franklin gets more contracts than Guptill is that Franklin plays less international cricket, so is available more. Guptill getting selected regularly for the test side has probably contributed a lot to not getting signed to 20/20 contracts.

No Quarter

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="569825" data-time="1459762132">cricinfo confirms his first class stats are very impressive, for a guy who pretty much started as a "bowler who could bat" nearly 9000 runs at 36 is a hell of a return. Similarly considering he couldn't buy a test wicket towards the end of his career 456 wickets at 27 is awesome. He's almost our very own Mark Ramprakash.</blockquote>
I went to college with Franklin and he was very much a "batter who could bat" who was also very good with the ball. I watched him hit 100 after 100 after 100 so was very surprised to see him bowling and batting at 9 when he first hit the scene. From memory I think Hadlee really liked what he saw with the ball so encouraged him to focus on that. 
I think Franklin was a huge talent that was very poorly managed by NZC, as were a lot of players around that time.

MN5

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I went to college with Franklin and he was very much a "batter who could bat" who was also very good with the ball. I watched him hit 100 after 100 after 100 so was very surprised to see him bowling and batting at 9 when he first hit the scene. From memory I think Hadlee really liked what he saw with the ball so encouraged him to focus on that. 
I think Franklin was a huge talent that was very poorly managed by NZC, as were a lot of players around that time.
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I agree, I was a real fan of Jimmy but some of his international returns made that tough at times. Sir Paddles apparently said he was like a left handed version of himself. At international level Cairns and Oram were better options though so perhaps Anderson or Neesham will end up with a similar return especially given the emergence of Santner.
 
....which brings me to my next point.....good on him for "making" the team of the tourney, surprising only two WI players made it, I guess everyone from the squad had at least one moment of brilliance and if they failed someone else stepped up. Sammy must be one hell of a canny and inspirational captain cos as a player he didn't do shit.

gollum

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....which brings me to my next point.....good on him for "making" the team of the tourney, surprising only two WI players made it, I guess everyone from the squad had at least one moment of brilliance and if they failed someone else stepped up. Sammy must be one hell of a canny and inspirational captain cos as a player he didn't do shit.
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Didn't need to really. He's there as tail end insurance & a 6th bowler. And they never really needed him right through. He is a really destructive slogger when he needs to be -
 
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That was a warm up pre tournament. He's done that a fair few times at ODI level too. Couple of years ago he came in late & raped us in an ODI in NZ I think... I'm not saying he's great, but he's a hugely under-rated player

MN5

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Didn't need to really. He's there as tail end insurance & a 6th bowler. And they never really needed him right through. He is a really destructive slogger when he needs to be -
 
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That was a warm up pre tournament. He's done that a fair few times at ODI level too. Couple of years ago he came in late & raped us in an ODI in NZ I think... I'm not saying he's great, but he's a hugely under-rated player
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Definitely, you're not wrong there I rate him too and remember an awesome partnership between him and Russell, it was raining sixes all over the place. I wasn't rating his tournament as poor as such just pointing out he literally didn't do much.

aucklandwarlord

Turns out Ben Stokes' Mum isn't too thrilled with people bagging his final over...
 
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Controversial New Zealand radio hosts Jeremy Wells and Matt Heath have been suspended for broadcasting a conversation with the mother of England cricketer Ben Stokes when she believed they were off air.
On Tuesday, Radio Hauraki's Wells and Heath were discussing Stokes' final over horror in the Twenty20 World Cup final when he was hit for four consecutive sixes to allow the West Indies a dramatic victory.
When Deborah Stokes was made aware of their discussion she called the radio station to complain about their tone, saying they had "bagged" her New Zealand-born son.
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Radio hosts Matt Heath, left, and Jeremy Wells, who are also part of the Alternative Commentary Collective, have been suspended.
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She asked to to talk to someone off air.
READ MORE: 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/78520431/former-england-captain-michael-vaughan-fears-ben-stokes-could-be-scarred-by-final-over-disaster-against-west-indies' title="">Fears Stokes could be scarred</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/78512866/ben-stokes-devastated-by-death-over-disaster-in-world-t20-final' title="">Death over devastates Stokes</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/78511178/marlon-samuels-taunts-shane-warne-after-smashing-west-indies-to-world-t20-glory' title="">Man-of-the-match Marlon: In your 'not real' face Warne</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/78509450/carlos-brathwaite-marlon-samuels-smash-west-indies-to-world-t20-title' title="">Four-sixes finale seals World T20 final for West Indies</a>
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Joe Root consoles Ben Stokes after the final over.
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A <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/ben-stokes-mum-calls-kiwi-radio-station-to-slam-hosts-for-criticising-her-son/news-story/2f1b7b1fc578c586e17e87d322b1798d'>news.com.au</a> report says Heath twice told Deborah Stokes she was off air â€“ but continued the conversation despite discovering she was the mother of the English allrounder.
When Deborah Stokes learned their conversation had been broadcast live she made a complaint that has been actioned.
"Matt & Jeremy are famous for identifying where the line is and then ignoring it, however putting Ben's Mum to air without her knowledge, albeit defending her son, was obviously well over that line," NZME group program director Mike McClung said in a statement to news.com.au.
"They've been suitably reprimanded, and are off-air tomorrow."
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In her conversation with Heath, whom she clearly didn't recognise by voice, Deborah Stokes said: "I don't know whether they realise he was actually born and bred in New Zealand and quite frankly has family all over the country. And for those who listen to your station, for them to sit and listen to their cousin and their grandson being bagged like that is absolutely unconscionable and I'm his mother and I'm totally brassed off."
Heath then described Stokes as a "great and amazing cricket player".
"I know he is, but it's not even about the cricket. It's about the personal attack on him. They called him arrogant and then they called him some sort of name. They don't know him! They wouldn't have a bloomin' clue," Deborah Stokes continued.
Heath asked her to "slow down" because he wanted to write down the complaint.
Deborah Stokes asked him if he was "being smart"?
Heath denied that and again went down the line of what an amazing cricketer Stokes was.
"I get that, but what I'm saying is, for my family â€“ and a lot of my family have rung me and said 'have you heard this, Deb?' â€“ I'm just really disappointed. Say those things and then temper it with some positives. Have a look on Twitter, see the likes of Kevin Pietersen, Tino Best, Graham Onions â€“ all of those people giving him their support because they know that tomorrow is another day," Deborah Stokes replied.
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NTA

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I can't begin to imagine how you'd nail down a fulltime job interview with "by the way I need 12 weeks off a year to play and train cricket!" if you didn't have any other income.</blockquote>
 
Further: <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.cricket.com.au/news/womens-cricket-australia-player-payments-huge-increase-lanning-perry-southern-stars/2016-04-06?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=southernstars">http://www.cricket.com.au/news/womens-cricket-australia-player-payments-huge-increase-lanning-perry-southern-stars/2016-04-06?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=southernstars</a>

Hooroo

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Turns out Ben Stokes' Mum isn't too thrilled with people bagging his final over...
 
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They are off air tomorrow because they are flying to Las Vegas!! That was gold that phone call!

MN5

One can only assume Jesse Ryder and Zac Guildford both have Mums with a bit more tolerance.

mariner4life

Love, your son is a kiwi who plays for England, who got smacked for 4 straight sixes (off shit balls) to lose a final. That's about as fair game as you can possibly get.

aucklandwarlord

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Love, your son is a kiwi who plays for England, who got smacked for 4 straight sixes (off shit balls) to lose a final. That's about as fair game as you can possibly get. 
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Agreed. Part and parcel with the large paychecks that come from being a professional sportsman is that people will bag you when you make a horrendous fuck up. 19 off the last over should have been defendable. People have every right to criticise

The Silver Fern

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