2021 Crusaders
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@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
People seem to forget that Dan Carter would kick penalties dead on a fairly regular basis. Usually followed by the commentators saying “well he is human after all” like they would when he missed a goal kick.
IIRC he was a pretty decent test 10.Obviously it will happen. It just seems it is happening far more regularly than it should be happening, particularly in tight games.
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@nepia said in 2021 Crusaders:
I also don’t think it’s really a Razor philosophy either. Although happy to stand corrected if I hear it out of the horses mouth.
That's where I heard about it from initially. Can't remember whether it was on here or on Radio sport, but I think it might have been Lima Sopoaga kicking conservatively to touch (that long ago) and Razor said something along the lines of, "He's got to do better than that".
Sticks in my memory, because it was a bit of a penny drop.
But, really, the proof is in the pudding.
I'd say Richie and Mitch Hunt are arch proponents of the greedy penalty kick to touch and they've probably done 95% of the line kicking for the Crusaders during Razor's tenure.
If Razor doesn't believe in it, he hasn't stamped it out.
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@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
People seem to forget that Dan Carter would kick penalties dead on a fairly regular basis. Usually followed by the commentators saying “well he is human after all” like they would when he missed a goal kick.
IIRC he was a pretty decent test 10.Oh no, definitely not forgotten. The minute Mounga plays even half as good as an in form DC, I'll forgive him a penalty kicked dead twice a season.
At the moment, what you said is a bit like watching Jordie get needlessly bundled into touch and saying that used to happen to Goldie so it's ok.
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@bones said in 2021 Crusaders:
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
People seem to forget that Dan Carter would kick penalties dead on a fairly regular basis. Usually followed by the commentators saying “well he is human after all” like they would when he missed a goal kick.
IIRC he was a pretty decent test 10.Oh no, definitely not forgotten. The minute Mounga plays even half as good as an in form DC, I'll forgive him a penalty kicked dead twice a season.
At the moment, what you said is a bit like watching Jordie get needlessly bundled into touch and saying that used to happen to Goldie so it's ok.
It’s more about people banging on like RM is the first 10 who ever kicked a penalty dead.
By all means critique his general play as a test 1st 5. Or even his goal kicking. But the emphasis people are putting on a handful of dead kicks is laughable.
Serious question, how many has he actually kicked dead in tests? -
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
But the emphasis people are putting on a handful of dead kicks is laughable.
No it's not. When you're DC and killing it on the field, then people are going to shrug their shoulders and think "worth it".
When you're Mounga and have just chip kicked to the opposition, got caught behind the advantage line and turned it over, then you kick the fucking ball dead on a penalty which might have been able to finally allow your team to start gaining some momentum.... people are going to be spending a few minutes wrangling their remote out of the TV screen.
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@bones said in 2021 Crusaders:
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
But the emphasis people are putting on a handful of dead kicks is laughable.
No it's not. When you're DC and killing it on the field, then people are going to shrug their shoulders and think "worth it".
When you're Mounga and have just chip kicked to the opposition, got caught behind the advantage line and turned it over, then you kick the fucking ball dead on a penalty which might have been able to finally allow your team to start gaining some momentum.... people are going to be spending a few minutes wrangling their remote out of the TV screen.
So how many times has it actually happened?
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@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
@bones said in 2021 Crusaders:
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
But the emphasis people are putting on a handful of dead kicks is laughable.
No it's not. When you're DC and killing it on the field, then people are going to shrug their shoulders and think "worth it".
When you're Mounga and have just chip kicked to the opposition, got caught behind the advantage line and turned it over, then you kick the fucking ball dead on a penalty which might have been able to finally allow your team to start gaining some momentum.... people are going to be spending a few minutes wrangling their remote out of the TV screen.
So how many times has it actually happened?
How many times did DC do it?
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Enough for a quick google to tell me he did it twice in one game for the Saders last year:
And twice in one game against Argentina for the ABs:
All Blacks news: Analysis of Richie Mo'unga's mixed display during the All Blacks' 46-24 win over Argentina - Sport360 News
New Zealand were made to fight hard to quell a spirited Argentina 46-24 in Nelson on Saturday as they remained unbeaten after the third round of the Rugby Cham
I think it is fair to say that he does it a bit more often than DC and it is fair to say that it’s because he’s trying for the extra ground (he says so himself in one source I read).
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@bones said in 2021 Crusaders:
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
@bones said in 2021 Crusaders:
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
But the emphasis people are putting on a handful of dead kicks is laughable.
No it's not. When you're DC and killing it on the field, then people are going to shrug their shoulders and think "worth it".
When you're Mounga and have just chip kicked to the opposition, got caught behind the advantage line and turned it over, then you kick the fucking ball dead on a penalty which might have been able to finally allow your team to start gaining some momentum.... people are going to be spending a few minutes wrangling their remote out of the TV screen.
So how many times has it actually happened?
How many times did DC do it?
Don’t know, don’t care. It’s a shit way to judge the quality of a 1st 5.
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@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
@bones said in 2021 Crusaders:
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
@bones said in 2021 Crusaders:
@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
But the emphasis people are putting on a handful of dead kicks is laughable.
No it's not. When you're DC and killing it on the field, then people are going to shrug their shoulders and think "worth it".
When you're Mounga and have just chip kicked to the opposition, got caught behind the advantage line and turned it over, then you kick the fucking ball dead on a penalty which might have been able to finally allow your team to start gaining some momentum.... people are going to be spending a few minutes wrangling their remote out of the TV screen.
So how many times has it actually happened?
How many times did DC do it?
Don’t know, don’t care. It’s a shit way to judge the quality of a 1st 5.
So if you had a 1st 5 that kicked the ball dead on every penalty you wouldn't care? Righto!
Good point though, soooo many people writing off Mounga only because he kicked the ball dead a couple of times.
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@pukunui said in 2021 Crusaders:
People seem to forget that Dan Carter would kick penalties dead on a fairly regular basis. Usually followed by the commentators saying “well he is human after all” like they would when he missed a goal kick.
IIRC he was a pretty decent test 10.He was also prone to having clearing kicks charged down, particularly early in games. Jeepers that's two imperfections. Luckily he grows a quality spud.
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@stargazer was just going to post this, could be a awkward joke if he heads overseas at the end of the year
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How do we rate Jäger now that alaakatoa is moving on? Can’t say I’m that impressed so far but he now has a big chance.
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@billy-tell He's been very unlucky with injuries, which have stalled his career big time.
I do rate Jason Ryan highly; and Ryan rates Jager highly. But I think he'll be a stop-gap until Newell is ready to take over the starting spot.
By the way, Jager is of Dutch descent (not German) on his father's side, so no "ä" but "a".
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