Boxing Thread
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@african-monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb BJS likes to get out of fights like these so we'll see on this one. He's looked terrible at 168 so far and I can't see him beating Canelo at this stage. Maybe after his victory over Lemeiux I would have backed him at 160, but not now as much as I would like to see him beat Canelo.
He might have trouble pulling out of this one , Cinco de mayo , going to massive ,
His first interview since the announcement , in the states in the build up , they will be thinking WTF have we got here ?
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So kind of went to the parker fight, kinda didnt.
Pulled a crew of about 8 of us together and had a few beers and feed at the Brit near by then watched the blues there and headed to spark about 845 when heard the new re the impending lockdown.
We watched the 9pm outside Spark and then thought better to not attend as there would have bound to be plenty of south auckland in there and surely someone who had attended that gym etc. Having said that, would have stayed inside if we already were there at the time of the news.
So gave the tickets away to some people hanging around outside, and watched the rest of it from the pub. Wasn't impressed.
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@godder said in Boxing Thread:
Parker won easily without being in danger - why would he do anything differently?
He needed to make a statement and win emphatically. That win was only marginally better than a loss IMHO. His marketability is way down on what it was a few years ago and that's what drives the big fights in boxing
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@kiwiinmelb BJS is so unpredictable away from the ring, it wouldn't surprise me if he did something to put the fight in jeopardy. I've always been a big fan of his but he's never really lived the life to be a dominant figure in his weight class. Hope he can pull off a magic performance similar to when he beat Lemeiux and Lee but I doubt it.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/56271031
Tyson Fury v Anthony Joshua fight agreed - promoter Bob Arum
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@number-10 said in Boxing Thread:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/56271031
Tyson Fury v Anthony Joshua fight agreed - promoter Bob Arum
Brilliant
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“I have been in New Zealand for five months now, away from my family and my other fighters. I have three guys fighting for world titles this year and have responsibilities with them and a few new guys.
How successful have Barry's other fighters been?
This decision is by mutual agreement, but at least we'll get an answer to whether Barry was getting the best out of Parker.
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@bovidae I don't want to be negative but this needed to happen 4-5 years ago.
Joe is not going to be on anyone's radar after that hugathon and I doubt a new trainer is going to get Parker to stop leading with his head or throwing off balance barely damaging weak wristed punches. A new trainer isn't going to sort out Parker's T-Rex like reach either.
Who ever he works with they need to get Parker to use his speed, which isn't what it was, so he can stick and move. Cliche but that is what he needs to do. He's a small heavyweight that stands in front of his opponents. If he could develop a "step to the side" body shot or over hand he might just have a chance. But I think the horse has bolted. Great chin, pretty good late career stamina and above average hand speed but that's it for me.
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@mn5 love Fury for keeping it real. Here's how it is. Heavyweights don't have to be anything but heavyweights these days. The idea of a boxing hw is great an all but people want Kos from that division. No one wants a 12 round war in the big boys. So the nuances of boxing as the sweet science don't exist anymore. Fury is an oddity. He is a legit student of boxing and it shows. Andy Ruiz and Luis Ortiz are the other guys in he division with actual world class boxing skills. But ones too fat and the other is too old and probably lying about his actual age. AJ is a robot. He's Ivan Drago but with a million dollar smile. He says he's a student of boxing but he would have been dinner for all the heavyweights below in their prime and I'll include Holyfield for AJ. There's a substantial drop in boxing ability from there.
Fury would have been beaten by Lennox Lewis, Tyson, Riddick Bowe and yeah probably Holmes & Foreman. I don't think Holyfield gets it done against Fury. Too small and not a hard enough hitter. But the other guys were murderers or better boxers with heavier hands than Fury.
The heavyweight division right now and since Lewis retired is like a side show at a depression age circus. The biggest and toughest guys in the tent all having a go. It's fun to watch but theres not a lot of boxing going on.
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@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@bovidae I don't want to be negative but this needed to happen 4-5 years ago.
Joe is not going to be on anyone's radar after that hugathon and I doubt a new trainer is going to get Parker to stop leading with his head or throwing off balance barely damaging weak wristed punches. A new trainer isn't going to sort out Parker's T-Rex like reach either.
Who ever he works with they need to get Parker to use his speed, which isn't what it was, so he can stick and move. Cliche but that is what he needs to do. He's a small heavyweight that stands in front of his opponents. If he could develop a "step to the side" body shot or over hand he might just have a chance. But I think the horse has bolted. Great chin, pretty good late career stamina and above average hand speed but that's it for me.
Problem with Parker is that he wants to base himself in NZ as well, so getting a change in trainer is gonna be hard for him. I'd like to see him team up with Fury's team at Kronk with Sugar Hill to work on his offence in an ideal world, but with him staying in NZ, there aren't many options for him.
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@african-monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@bovidae I don't want to be negative but this needed to happen 4-5 years ago.
Joe is not going to be on anyone's radar after that hugathon and I doubt a new trainer is going to get Parker to stop leading with his head or throwing off balance barely damaging weak wristed punches. A new trainer isn't going to sort out Parker's T-Rex like reach either.
Who ever he works with they need to get Parker to use his speed, which isn't what it was, so he can stick and move. Cliche but that is what he needs to do. He's a small heavyweight that stands in front of his opponents. If he could develop a "step to the side" body shot or over hand he might just have a chance. But I think the horse has bolted. Great chin, pretty good late career stamina and above average hand speed but that's it for me.
Problem with Parker is that he wants to base himself in NZ as well, so getting a change in trainer is gonna be hard for him. I'd like to see him team up with Fury's team at Kronk with Sugar Hill to work on his offence in an ideal world, but with him staying in NZ, there aren't many options for him.
Do you think Parker needs to come to the realisation that he’s already had a good career and it’s not gonna get any better ?
Mind you what is it with boxers going on far longer than they should ? Happens more than in any other sport. Parker seems too wise for that to happen though.
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@mn5 he's lucky in that he hasn't taken much punishment and is just getting into "bones are set" age. He can get stronger and more powerful but his short arms and lack of footwork (the footwork he has is off balance) are big work ons. But his plus side is he is still a reasonably young fighter.
I know that contradicts what I said "that's it for me" but I still hope he finds a late career flourish.
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@mn5 The thing is, is that the HW division is very shallow depth wise atm that Parker will still be around the top 5-10 for the next few years at least so he's bound to get another shot providing he keeps winning. The fact that his next opponent Chisora is considered a decent scalp in 2021 when he has never been anything more than a gatekeeper proves that the HW division isn't exactly stacked depth wise.
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@african-monkey I am looking forward to the cringe show Chisora and Haye bring to the table. It should be a bit of fun.
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@raznomore Yeah a few tables might be thrown, followed by Eddie Hearn wanking on about both being something they're not, with Chisora being in his prime at 37, and how Parker was the first to go the distance with AJ blah blah blah all to sell more PPVs when in reality it's a current gatekeeper v a future gatekeeper of the division.
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@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@african-monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@bovidae I don't want to be negative but this needed to happen 4-5 years ago.
Joe is not going to be on anyone's radar after that hugathon and I doubt a new trainer is going to get Parker to stop leading with his head or throwing off balance barely damaging weak wristed punches. A new trainer isn't going to sort out Parker's T-Rex like reach either.
Who ever he works with they need to get Parker to use his speed, which isn't what it was, so he can stick and move. Cliche but that is what he needs to do. He's a small heavyweight that stands in front of his opponents. If he could develop a "step to the side" body shot or over hand he might just have a chance. But I think the horse has bolted. Great chin, pretty good late career stamina and above average hand speed but that's it for me.
Problem with Parker is that he wants to base himself in NZ as well, so getting a change in trainer is gonna be hard for him. I'd like to see him team up with Fury's team at Kronk with Sugar Hill to work on his offence in an ideal world, but with him staying in NZ, there aren't many options for him.
Do you think Parker needs to come to the realisation that he’s already had a good career and it’s not gonna get any better ?
Mind you what is it with boxers going on far longer than they should ? Happens more than in any other sport. Parker seems too wise for that to happen though.
I suspect he has, and has decided to make his cash go further by staying here.
Exclusive: Joseph Parker in stunning split with mentor Kevin Barry
