Australia v India
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Amazing win by India. To pick the team they did and win at the Gabba? Truly remarkable. I have genuinely never seen anything like it in my time as an Aussie cricket supporter.
We've lost home series before, but it's been to genuinely great sides: South Africa with prime
Franz BothaDale Steyn, England with Cook, KP, Broad, Swann et al.This side doesn't have the names, but man they have ticker.
It's hard as an Aussie fan, as there isn't a glaring scapegoat or error made by anyone. We were just beaten. Sure, Mitch Starc tired badly, Nathan Lyon couldn't find anything when we needed him, too many batsmen made a start and then threw their wicket away.
But there's a very real chance our next test XI will be very close to this one. Pucovski will come in for Harris, and maybe Wade will go IF someone can make Shield runs to displace him. But that's not certain.
They will have to reasses how they play Starc as well. On his day he is world leading. I remember he was imperious in Adelaide, but a broken man by Brisbane. This series is hard to assess on that front, though, with it's bubbles and squads and condensed format without breaks.
Fabulous effort by India.
I think the rain (and the prospect of rain) on the 4th day helped them win this last test.
Judging by Paine's declaration in the third test, I'm pretty sure that he doesn't subscribe to Mark Waugh's "280 is plenty" theory, so I reckon if there hadn't been rain in the offing he would have liked an extra 70 runs. But, the Indians had forced his hand by keeping the series even when they arrived in Brisbane, so good luck to them.
Series averages show not enough substantive contributions by Australian players. Only Marnus, Smith and Paine would be satisfied with their batting efforts and only Cummins and Hazlewood as bowlers.
Pant was superb for India and Gill excellent, but the key man might have been Pujara - faced 154 overs in the series - a lot of work for the Oz bowlers.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
Nathan Lyon: 9 wickets at 55.11
Mitchell Starc: 11 wickets at 40.72For the series that's a huge issue ^
Particularly as Starc wasn't bowling many overs to help create foot marks for Lyon to bowl into.
Partnerships.
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
Nathan Lyon: 9 wickets at 55.11
Mitchell Starc: 11 wickets at 40.72For the series that's a huge issue ^
Particularly as Starc wasn't bowling many overs to help create foot marks for Lyon to bowl into.
Partnerships.
Yep, but there was a reason Starc wasn't bowling many overs - he was pretty crap.
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@Chris-B said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Amazing win by India. To pick the team they did and win at the Gabba? Truly remarkable. I have genuinely never seen anything like it in my time as an Aussie cricket supporter.
We've lost home series before, but it's been to genuinely great sides: South Africa with prime
Franz BothaDale Steyn, England with Cook, KP, Broad, Swann et al.This side doesn't have the names, but man they have ticker.
It's hard as an Aussie fan, as there isn't a glaring scapegoat or error made by anyone. We were just beaten. Sure, Mitch Starc tired badly, Nathan Lyon couldn't find anything when we needed him, too many batsmen made a start and then threw their wicket away.
But there's a very real chance our next test XI will be very close to this one. Pucovski will come in for Harris, and maybe Wade will go IF someone can make Shield runs to displace him. But that's not certain.
They will have to reasses how they play Starc as well. On his day he is world leading. I remember he was imperious in Adelaide, but a broken man by Brisbane. This series is hard to assess on that front, though, with it's bubbles and squads and condensed format without breaks.
Fabulous effort by India.
I think the rain (and the prospect of rain) on the 4th day helped them win this last test.
Judging by Paine's declaration in the third test, I'm pretty sure that he doesn't subscribe to Mark Waugh's "280 is plenty" theory, so I reckon if there hadn't been rain in the offing he would have liked an extra 70 runs. But, the Indians had forced his hand by keeping the series even when they arrived in Brisbane, so good luck to them.
Well also given the history of cricket at the Gabba, setting a team 320-odd on Day 5 is a pretty safe bet.
I do believe if a few things broke the way of Australia they could have won this series 3-1. But they didn't, and India were good enough to step up on Day 5 when it counted.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@barbarian The problem with Starc is he is two different bowlers depending on whether it's a day/night pink ball test or not.
In a day/night pink ball test his record is amazing. His recent record in non-pink ball tests? Not that great.
He and Boult are similar in that they both thrive with the white/pink balls, but with the red don't look nearly as threatening especially when there isn't swing.
Starc's action is also not particularly economical so he's better in short bursts, but will get burnt out pretty quickly.
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Something I’ve learned reading this thread is we seem to have a new filter going. It seems that if you type in the word p o a c h you now get pickup. Cool.
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@Catogrande said in Australia v India:
Something I’ve learned reading this thread is we seem to have a new filter going. It seems that if you type in the word p o a c h you now get pickup. Cool.
Rupeni Caucau would’ve been a nice pickup 😎
It works!
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
I do believe if a few things broke the way of Australia they could have won this series 3-1. But they didn't, and India were good enough to step up on Day 5 when it counted.
How much more could have broken Australia's way? They won all four tosses and suffered one injury vs India's casualty list.
I'm struggling to think of any reviews or turning points which went in India's favour? On Day 5 in Brisbane I would say luck went in Australia's favour with the Pujara LBW call.
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@rotated said in Australia v India:
I'm struggling to think of any reviews or turning points which went in India's favour? On Day 5 in Brisbane I would say luck went in Australia's favour with the Pujara LBW call.
A lot of edges that ballooned away from slips. Part of cricket, but you'll have a run of good and bad - this one turned out to not favour the Aussies.
I'd say the Australian catching in Test 1 or 2 - they shelled a lot. THat's skill not luck, but you woudln't want to rely on it.
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@nzzp said in Australia v India:
A lot of edges that ballooned away from slips. Part of cricket, but you'll have a run of good and bad - this one turned out to not favour the Aussies.
It did massively in one innings in Adelaide, and then got a little more 50/50 from there.
Our dropped catches is entirely on us.
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The Pujara LBW led to India winning the test. As good as he had been, he's not the type of player that can just put the foot down. Washington coming out and hitting a breezy 20 odd, which took the pressure off Pant, got them over the line.
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Shubman Gill's innings was particularly noteworthy. Hell of a strike rate and positivity when batting out the day was a very feasible strategy.
There's a lot of empty talk about batting positively and playing each ball but fuck all teams and batters actually do it.5 or 6 years ago McCullum was largely scoffed at for his continual mentioning of it, with what appeared to be good reason at the time.A wee bit akin to running it in your own half for 60 minutes of 80 in rugby.
Never have I seen a team actually follow through on these words like India did on day 5, and against the best bowling quartet in the world, maybe ever.
That last day gets even more remarkable the more you think about it.
And no shame to the Aussies at all. Perhaps a bit different field for Lyon at stages but that's about it
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This bothers me:
You'll have to scroll forward to the 50 second mark.
Now, there are some obvious instances of not playing a shot but this one isn't so cut and dry. His technique is fine for a turning, bouncing off spin delivery and I'll argue that Pujara not playing a shot is not definitely clear and obvious. Sure when playing from the crease but not many advance out of the crease only to use your pad. In fact I'll argue that nobody does.
Didn't like that the no shot clause got so readily adjudicated in this instance.
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Indians fans sure got carried away...
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@Bovidae said in Australia v India:
Indians fans sure got carried away...
He should be thrilled someone thinks a New Zealander footballer is relevant
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
The bigger issue is that Indian cricket fans are as big a set of dickheads as any cricket fans.
100%. They're up there with kiwi fans with over the top chips on their shoulders about Australian cricketers whose main crime is they're Australian cricketers who are good.
I mean, bar Brad Haddin of course, some of them seem like pretty decent blokes.
