Black Caps v Pakistan
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@taniwharugby said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner comms just said this is the last over???
Yea, what does cricinfo know!
I missed a fair bit of the commentary as was only half arsed watching it.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Rossco might not be so missed after all.
Yeah he will and you know it.
As for Lance Cairns - The Hero of Headingly (and yes I tried to replicate a complete front on action until I pretty much fucked my right shoulder).
"He took ten wickets in New Zealand's first ever win on English soil, at Headingley in 1983."
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
71/3, is it a case of the wobbles? Nah, just another day at the office for the BCs, casual 215 unbroken partnership...
It is a serious turnaround in the the way we perform (thank you Mr Hesson).
Difficult to attribute credit really, but having Kane sure helps!
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@Snowy said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
71/3, is it a case of the wobbles? Nah, just another day at the office for the BCs, casual 215 unbroken partnership...
It is a serious turnaround in the the way we perform (thank you Mr Hesson).
Difficult to attribute credit really, but having Kane sure helps!
I think having some seriously talented cattle helps, I mean what the fuck has Hesson done for Kyle Jamieson for example ?
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I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
I'm quite happy for us not to even bother with a spinner - that attack at full strength can get wickets almost anywhere and I vaguely recall that most of the wickets in the UAE when we last played tests there were down to Timmee and Trent
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
I'm quite happy for us not to even bother with a spinner - that attack at full strength can get wickets almost anywhere and I vaguely recall that most of the wickets in the UAE when we last played tests there were down to Timmee and Trent
You're singing from my hymn sheet.
The Windies in the 80s never bothered with one and they did alright. Marshall, Holding, Garner, Croft, Roberts, Walsh, Ambrose, Bishop etc may have been better as a unit and as individuals than what we have but the principle is pretty much the same I reckon.
I cringed when we went into a match with three spinners over there a few years back.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
Step down but those 2 were hardly passengers...
The thing about Oz in the mid to late 90s and into the early 2000s is that there were quite a few good batsmen making shed loads at Sheffield Shield that missed out on test cricket.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
Step down but those 2 were hardly passengers...
The thing about Oz in the mid to late 90s and into the early 2000s is that there were quite a few good batsmen making shed loads at Sheffield Shield that missed out on test cricket.
I see your point, I guess I mean "relatively"
Lee was fucken quick but Bond was a far better bowler.
Australia's dominance unfortunately coincided with a terrible period at test level for NZ. Hayden took awhile to get a consistent go but when he did he eclipsed what Taylor and Slater managed ( despite both of them being fine players in their own right )
Even the great Windies team in the 80s had a couple of relative passengers in Larry Gomes and Gus Logie compared to the rest of them.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I gather that Shane Bond , although no longer a full time coach with the BCs, has been helping out when available this year, as well as being around a few of the BCs during the IPL.
As for the current state of affairs, I'm revelling in it. Best all around team I've seen from NZ - except for spin. But then again, we've never really had more than a couple of good to very good and they played during the Hadlee era.
But it is just fucking criminal that NZ will only play 4 tests in 2021
Even the very best teams have/had a couple of passengers relative to the rest of the squad.
Take the Aussie team of the 2000's, an incredible top order from 1-7 ( but then again a couple of lesser talents got in there from time to time ) and whilst they had two all time legends in McGrath and Warne it has to be said the likes of Gillespie, Lee and Kaspowicz were a bit of a step down.
Step down but those 2 were hardly passengers...
The thing about Oz in the mid to late 90s and into the early 2000s is that there were quite a few good batsmen making shed loads at Sheffield Shield that missed out on test cricket.
I see your point, I guess I mean "relatively"
Lee was fucken quick but Bond was a far better bowler.
Australia's dominance unfortunately coincided with a terrible period at test level for NZ. Hayden took awhile to get a consistent go but when he did he eclipsed what Taylor and Slater managed ( despite both of them being fine players in their own right )
Even the great Windies team in the 80s had a couple of relative passengers in Larry Gomes and Gus Logie compared to the rest of them.
Agree, not terribly realistic to expect a team of 11 all time greats...
KW is 11 runs short of 7,000 - when he gets there, he will be the fastest NZer to that milestone, probably in either 144 innings (if tomorrow) or 145 (Ponting, Lara and Miandad all took 145 innings). Currently our fastest is Ross Taylor in 169 innings, and also the only NZer on this Cricinfo list: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/223646.html . Steve Smith is the fastest in history, taking 126 innings, but it's a testament to Bradman that had he got 4 more runs, he'd have reached 7,000 in 80 innings...
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Are we unanimous than Kane has clearly gone beyond Crowe (or Donnelly or Dempster or Sutcliffe depending on your prefence) as our greatest ever batsman? I know comparing eras is a bit of a waste of time but still fun to think about. I think this summer has taken him from being probably our best ever to definitely our best ever.
The next question is can Kane go clear past Hadlee as our best ever? Hadlee has a genuine claim to being one of the best of all time I think (he might miss out on the first XI but hard to leave out of the second), is Kane approaching that level? Probably missing a couple of really dominant series overseas (preferably in Australia or India) to convincingly get ahead of Hadlee.
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5
the only Kiwi spinner I rate actually played for the aussies anyway.Bracewell is worth a mention. Won a game for us vs Australia and was used as a weapon rather than a holding pattern.
