Reds v Blues

pukunui

Well, that was forgettable.
Thought Reiko showed glimpses but also dropped a few balls. Hope he gets another shot.
Would like to see Ranger come in for Sau. He hasn't done much so far this season.
Surprised the Blues didn't get a card earlier in the game for the scrum because you could tell the ref had made his mind up pretty early.

Siam

Canerbry, bonito or just plain mackerel? :)

Crash

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MOTM Andrew Lees and our scrum.
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Think he is about the worst ref going round this season

SammyC

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="565893" data-time="1458385342">Yeah, maybe they should get Hammett in.</blockquote>
 
To be fair, Tana looks equally as clueless as Hammett at this stage

nzzp

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To be fair, Tana looks equally as clueless as Hammett at this stage
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Nah, not sure about that. If Tana starts pissing off senior players and turning the place upside down then maybe. But some serious concerns:
- Scrum
- Skills
- Rugby nous
 
On the plus side, he's nailed the fitness and (it appears) team unity. A draw away is a good start ... you dno't build a championship team overnight. Will be a very interesting few weeks coming up post-bye.
 
Game report: Suck performance from teh Reds, suck performance from the Blues, suckiest performance from the Ref. Don't watch if you enjoy rugby much.

Hooroo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="nzzp" data-cid="565935" data-time="1458414898">Nah, not sure about that. If Tana starts pissing off senior players and turning the place upside down then maybe. But some serious concerns:

Scrum
Skills
Rugby nous 
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You mean Rugby?

African Monkey

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Guys like Gibson and Tuipulotu were outstanding in week 1 and just havent followed it up. Id be tempted to give Latimer a run, could use his nouse and leadership. Sau has to be replaced - he stood out for his high errors in an error riddled team performance.
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Harsh on Gibson I feel. He's been one of our better ones I feel. Patrick needs a spell on the bench. He was great last week against the Hurricanes and would have made more of an impact if he was used like that last night. Thought Matenga looked alright when he came on.

Bovidae

West needed to take control of this game and didn't. He was guilty of some aimless kicking, one of which led to a Qld try.
 
The Moala-Sau combo didn't work at all - they lacked communication on defence.
 
Nick White has some work to do in the bye week.

KiwiMurph

I see Tana is critical of the ref - and fair enough the reffing was poor, however I wish Tana would focus on some things that are within his control, such as the decision making and general skills of the team. Hall put in a wasteful kick in an early attacking opportunity, West put in a number of aimless kicks, one of which lead to a Reds try, and Sau butchered a try by hogging instead of passing which was then followed up by a stone cold drop by Rieko Ioane. The Blues were generally very poor under the high ball too.

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="KiwiMurph" data-cid="566246" data-time="1458522319">I see Tana is critical of the ref - and fair enough the reffing was poor, however I wish Tana would focus on some things that are within his control, such as the decision making and general skills of the team.</blockquote> Perhaps he's addressing those within the team environment. <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Hall put in a wasteful kick in an early attacking opportunity, West put in a number of aimless kicks, one of which lead to a Reds try, and Sau butchered a try by hogging instead of passing which was then followed up by a stone cold drop by Rieko Ioane. The Blues were generally very poor under the high ball too.</blockquote> The Blues were poor, but Sa'u holding on to the ball was a good decision in not throwing a 50/50 pass when either man outside him was covered.

Crucial

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I see Tana is critical of the ref - and fair enough the reffing was poor, however I wish Tana would focus on some things that are within his control, such as the decision making and general skills of the team. Hall put in a wasteful kick in an early attacking opportunity, West put in a number of aimless kicks, one of which lead to a Reds try, and Sau butchered a try by hogging instead of passing which was then followed up by a stone cold drop by Rieko Ioane. The Blues were generally very poor under the high ball too.
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I am sure that Tana isn't focusing on the ref. He can make comment about one aspect while also working on other ones. Pretty stupid to think he isn't looking at all of those things you mention.

KiwiMurph

I'm sure he is - but it comes off as pretty empty when the team played absolute pants for the majority of the game and he's pointing to mistakes by the ref. From a fans point of view seeing the skill level of the other NZ teams and then seeing the skill level the Blues put out when not at Eden Park year after year gets a bit old.

mariner4life

I knew the Blues were in trouble when their game plan appeared to be throw it wide as often as possible, side to side bullshit. Against a team that has battled defensively, it allowed them to make one on one spot tackles and gain confidence. When they went direct they split the reds with ease. It was fucking dumb rugby.

nzzp

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I am sure that Tana isn't focusing on the ref. He can make comment about one aspect while also working on other ones. Pretty stupid to think he isn't looking at all of those things you mention.
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To be fair, that ref is consistently poor. BUT you can't control them, so you can only do what you can.

nzzp

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I knew the Blues were in trouble when their game plan appeared to be throw it wide as often as possible, side to side bullshit. Against a team that has battled defensively, it allowed them to make one on one spot tackles and gain confidence. When they went direct they split the reds with ease. It was fucking dumb rugby. 
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I, for one, welcome our new 'up the guts' overlords.
 
Seriously, we lost to the goddamn reds that year they won the championship. Same thing - go wide, get smoked. Smash it up in tight, go forward. I don't know why we don't just stuff the ball up our jumpers and grind out wins. Wins are freaking wins, just get them however you get them.

taniwharugby

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I knew the Blues were in trouble when their game plan appeared to be throw it wide as often as possible, side to side bullshit. Against a team that has battled defensively, it allowed them to make one on one spot tackles and gain confidence. When they went direct they split the reds with ease. It was fucking dumb rugby. 
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that's been the gameplan for quite a few years though hasn't it?

Crucial

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To be fair, that ref is consistently poor. BUT you can't control them, so you can only do what you can.
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Agree and if KiwiMurph read past the headlines he will see that Tana is also reading the riot act to his team for not adjusting to the ref quick enough or well enough.

mariner4life

not always, sometimes they play pretty direct first, then go wide. And surprise surprise, that's generally when they look best. If their 10 plays straight, and uses the many strong ball runners either side of him to punch holes, and then shift out the back to Moala/Visinia/Ranger etc they would go great guns. Biffing 20m passes to a stationary back rarely works against anyone.

KiwiMurph

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Agree and if KiwiMurph read past the headlines he will see that Tana is also reading the riot act to his team for not adjusting to the ref quick enough or well enough.
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My point is leave the ref out of it, even with the ref being poor and the Blues not adjusting, they still should have won in a canter.
 
It's the skill level of the players was where my post was generated. I didn't mention Li's handing problems or Visinia's handling getting worse as the game went on (and his pass to Hall looked suspect) or Parsons throwing the ball to no one when in broken play inside Reds 22....
 
I also agree with comments on the game plan. There was a play early on in the first half where they swung a wide pass to Sau/Ioane who got barrelled in a spot tackle behind the line. Not a good ploy.

nzzp

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Agree and if KiwiMurph read past the headlines he will see that Tana is also reading the riot act to his team for not adjusting to the ref quick enough or well enough.
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I get pretty annoyed at refs buying dodgy shit from halfbacks too. At one point the (Blues) tackler had rolled well clear of the back of the ruck area, and the Red 9 absolutely hammed it up. Won the penalty, too. Smart play, but still farks me off -- you see good refs calling people who make a meal of it to just play on.
 
... so I got my anorak out and googled it:
<div style="margin:0px 0px 10px;font-size:14.72px;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">21.9 Contrived infringements at the penalty kick</div>
If the referee believes that the kickerâ€™s team has contrived an infringement by their opponents, the referee does not award a further penalty but allows play to continue.

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