Los Pumas 2020
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@Stargazer goodness me.
Those tweets better be pretty bad to get suspended 9 years on.
One of the issues I have about this is - if it's so bad, can't we see his integrity in day to day operations? Those folk have been living cheek and jowl for months; surely someone has seen something in the last 9 years to indicate that he shouldn't be a pro rugby player?
Cancel culture concerns me.
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@canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?
he and two others are suspended for the game by the sound of it.
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@nzzp I have read comments from South American journalists, who say they are not surprised at all. Apparently, there is something inherently wrong with the "culture" in Argentinian rugby, the Union in particular. Things that happen and are swept under the carpet. They gave the example of a player beating the crap out of his wive and being allowed to play a week later (not a member of the Pumas squad).
Of course, I've no way of knowing whether any of that is true.
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@Kiwiwomble It's way more than a personal message. There are several public tweets, not all bad jokes. I have seen several of them.
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@canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.
'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please
What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.
Modern sensibilities suck!
Sigh.....cancel culture wins again
It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?
He didn't apologise at the time. He apologised after someone dug up those tweets and posted screenshots on Twitter (tagging World Rugby and the Argentinian Union). This week, not 8 years ago.
You have to wonder why that person decided to post those tweets now. I don't think he accidentally found those old tweets; he must have known they existed.
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@Stargazer said in Los Pumas 2020:
@Kiwiwomble It's way more than a personal message. There are several public tweets, not all bad jokes. I have seen several of them.
I should have used an emoji, there was some eye role in someone claiming a tweet was private, the couple I’ve seen are pretty bad and I have limited sympathy
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Geez
The Pumas believe racist Pablo Matera tweets resurfaced as retaliation from the Argentinian public for a perceived lack of respect from the team for Diego Maradona.Sources close to the Argentinian team said on Tuesday they believe the Matera tweets were dug up and shared online to sabotage the team after they'd been the subject of an intense backlash from the Argentinian public for a perceived lack of respect for soccer legend Maradona in the wake of his passing last week. The Argentinians wore a black armband as a tribute to the late, great 60-year-old but were upstaged by the All Blacks, who laid a No.10 jersey with Maradona's name across it down prior to performing the haka. The intensity of the response is seen in online comments on the Pumas' social media accounts. An average Pumas post on Instagram draws about 100 comments, but in the 72 hours since the 38-0 drubbing at the hands of the All Blacks, that number was well into the thousands. Almost all of those additional comments slammed the Pumas for their perceived lack of respect towards Maradona, and the backlash was so intense that Matera issued a three-minute apology video alongside the entire Argentinian squad from the team's hotel on Monday night. "If both Diego did for you as we know and represents so much that the tribute is a piece of insulating tape on the arm, it is obviously a lack of respect," one top-rated comment read. "Do the homage on the (field). Where it should be. They had to receive the rejection of all Argentina to realize their error," said another.Pumas believe Maradona backlash behind racist tweets storm
Pumas captain Pablo Matera was sacked after old racist tweets re-surfaced and they believe a backlash about their respect for Maradona's death is involved.
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hang on, don't tell me this is partially because the ABs went one better? Los Pumas were upstaged?
I don't agree with racism, via twitter or whatever, but someone must have a bitter dose of revenge to go after Matera now. -
Not sure that there is really much different that Argentinian RU could do. They had to condemn the tweets and Matera, and once they did that if they took zero action it would risk ringing pretty hollow. I get the discretions of your youth stuff and all but plenty of youths pay a much steeper price than that for their errors. I don't see losing the captain's armband as being that steep a price.
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If you can believe what you see on social media, people stating what he allegedly said, sounds almost as bad as it can be.
Given he has been part of the Pumas set up for near a decade, surely if he still has these thoughts, it would have surfaced before now.
Seems a bit rough being punished so severely for things he said when he was 18, but the world is a different place now, so Argentina Rugby was in a tough position.
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@taniwharugby said in Los Pumas 2020:
Seems a bit rough being punished so severely for things he said when he was 18, but the world is a different place now, so Argentina Rugby was in a tough position.
I haven't seen the tweets, so can't comment on the severity. Seems weird that this comes out so late in the day though.
Anyway, for comparison if you didn't go to jail, you get a clean slate after 7 years in NZ
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The incident mentioned before that had put rugby in a rather bad light
11 rugby players arrested after teenager beaten to death following bowling alley fight - The Mirror
Fernando Baez Sosa was killed in Buenos Aires following a fight outside a bowling alley - with 11 members of rugby side Arsenal Zarate arrested
The tweet which is probably the most damning isn't actually what it appears on the face of it (quoted from news corp Australia, so public knowledge now) “SOUTH AFRICA baby! I’m finally leaving this country full of blacks ouch.”
That is when he is leaving Argentina to go to SA. Blacks, is a term Peronists use for lower class and lefties, not so much skin colour as wealth and political affiliation. People like Maradona. -
@Machpants said in Los Pumas 2020:
The incident mentioned before that had put rugby in a rather bad light
Fernando Baez Sosa was killed in Buenos Aires following a fight outside a bowling alley - with 11 members of rugby side Arsenal Zarate arrested
The tweet which is probably the most damning isn't actually what it appears on the face of it (quoted from news corp Australia, so public knowledge now) “SOUTH AFRICA baby! I’m finally leaving this country full of blacks ouch.”
That is when he is leaving Argentina to go to SA. Blacks, is a term Peronists use for lower class and lefties, not so much skin colour as wealth and political affiliation. People like Maradona.That kind of puts some context that I didn't get, I guess that explains some of the ruckus over Maradona.
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@DMX said in Los Pumas 2020:
@Machpants said in Los Pumas 2020:
The incident mentioned before that had put rugby in a rather bad light
Fernando Baez Sosa was killed in Buenos Aires following a fight outside a bowling alley - with 11 members of rugby side Arsenal Zarate arrested
The tweet which is probably the most damning isn't actually what it appears on the face of it (quoted from news corp Australia, so public knowledge now) “SOUTH AFRICA baby! I’m finally leaving this country full of blacks ouch.”
That is when he is leaving Argentina to go to SA. Blacks, is a term Peronists use for lower class and lefties, not so much skin colour as wealth and political affiliation. People like Maradona.That kind of puts some context that I didn't get, I guess that explains some of the ruckus over Maradona.
Yeah there is a racial element to it. Rugby is seen as right wing/rich. The term Blacks is used for the poor/left. But alot of the more indigenous people are in that bracket, and those with more Euro blood are the rich - generalisation, but true in most of South America.
My Bro in law is a professor in South American Culture and a huge soccer fan
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Puma are the only SANZAAR team that can come out of 2020 with their head held high, tweet storm not withstanding. Boks too scared to play, ABs awful 50% winning record and first loss to Puma, Ozzie won one game. Puma defence is pretty impressive, they just need to add some attacking verve to it. Very much England of the south, without May.
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