ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?
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@sparky said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
We should have seen a lot more of Will Jordan, Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu. Would have liked to see Dalton Papali'i and Peter Umaga-Jensen more and Jordie Barret given time at Fullback.
Disappointed that Foster did so little to develop other options and younger players at Hooker, Half Back and First Five.
yeah, especially when the person keeping Jordan out (before injury) was out of the positions he'd been playing all year, didn't have a lot of experience in that position, wasn't paying the best
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@Stargazer He's 20. He can wait his turn like Akira had to.
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@Chris-B Frizzell isn't terrible, he's just not the enforcer we need. He makes his tackles, carts the ball up to an OK standard but we need more from a 6 otherwise we may as well have Luke Whitelock playing there.
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@African-Monkey said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B Frizzell isn't terrible, he's just not the enforcer we need. He makes his tackles, carts the ball up to an OK standard but we need more from a 6 otherwise we may as well have Luke Whitelock playing there.
oh burrrrrn
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@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
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@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
Giving Jordie yet another run on the wing at the weekend was starting to get close to it, but even then I can understand the logic, because they'd backed themselves into a corner
That's the kind of idiocy we don't want to see from our coaches.
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@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
I see you've crossed out Hammett on your Shield and written Fozzie instead.
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@Nepia said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
I see you've crossed out Hammett on your Shield and written Fozzie instead.
@Chris-B is just in a happy place because all the trophies are in the right cabinets
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@taniwharugby said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Kiwiwomble thing is, there has always been a history of 'loyalty' to the current squad.
Tough to get into, but tougher to get out it seems.
ANd an injury replacement doesnt mean that new guy has an 'in'
Good point, a common characteristic of all great teams, ABs, Man U, Aus cricket
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@mariner4life said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Nepia said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
I see you've crossed out Hammett on your Shield and written Fozzie instead.
@Chris-B is just in a happy place because all the trophies are in the right cabinets
incoming rant about the Shield.
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@KiwiMurph said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@mariner4life said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Nepia said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
I see you've crossed out Hammett on your Shield and written Fozzie instead.
@Chris-B is just in a happy place because all the trophies are in the right cabinets
incoming rant about the Shield.
yeah, i teed that up nicely i think
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@Nepia said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
I see you've crossed out Hammett on your Shield and written Fozzie instead.
What?
A Waikato coach????
You really haven't been paying attention!
I am in quite a happy place though - even about that game.
We're grizzling a bit about overall performance, but if we'd just been hammered 38-0 it would have been the worst loss in AB history, by a country mile - and not even anyone in the bin to mitigate it.
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@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Nepia said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
I see you've crossed out Hammett on your Shield and written Fozzie instead.
What?
A Waikato coach????
You really haven't been paying attention!
I am in quite a happy place though - even about that game.
We're grizzling a bit about overall performance, but if we'd just been hammered 38-0 it would have been the worst loss in AB history, by a country mile - and not even anyone in the bin to mitigate it.
If we’d lost 38-0 I’m sure Scott would have been in the bin to mitigate. Akira and Reiko would be blamed for the loss even though Akira would have got pulled 2 minutes after Scott got binned and Reiko would have come on 7 mins before the end.
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@Nepia said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Nepia said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@African-Monkey Yeah - and I'd say Akira has probably supplanted him (for the next while at least).
But, that's a different point than whether selecting Frizell vs Argentina was illogical.
Don't forget that Frizell's team vs Australia had given the Aussies a thrashing, while Akira's team (and obviously almost nothing to do with Akira) had been beaten.
No great surprise that Fozzie would revert back to his "top" team. Pretty logical IMO.
And, in fact, he got asked whether he'd been tempted to play Akira and he said "very tempted".
Quite often, AB coaches speak with forked tongue - but, in this instance I suspect he was telling the truth, because Akira got the next game.
I see you've crossed out Hammett on your Shield and written Fozzie instead.
What?
A Waikato coach????
You really haven't been paying attention!
I am in quite a happy place though - even about that game.
We're grizzling a bit about overall performance, but if we'd just been hammered 38-0 it would have been the worst loss in AB history, by a country mile - and not even anyone in the bin to mitigate it.
If we’d lost 38-0 I’m sure Scott would have been in the bin to mitigate. Akira and Reiko would be blamed for the loss even though Akira would have got pulled 2 minutes after Scott got binned and Reiko would have come on 7 mins before the end.
So - Akira would have had at least 2 minutes to rectify things and Rieko a whole seven!
We definitely need Will Jordan on the bench!
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I hope the likes of PPP and Tom Robinson will get a call up next year.
PPP is the biggest lock in NZ and he has improved a lot this year.
Tom Robinson has a big engine, certainly the biggest workrate of all 6s. Can disturb the opposition's lineout too.
I've liked what I saw from M. Selby-Rickitt too, during the N vs S game and during the M10 Cup. -
@Kiwiwomble said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?:
> I'm not really a fan of the thread title, because it's the All Blacks and not the Under-10s. If you're not established as the best player in your position then any time you get is a privilege.Plus - we only had six tests, we struggled, and when Fozzie pushed the rotation button a bit, we lost (though players not on the park had a fair bit to do with that).
That first bit sounds a bit sanctimonious - but, what I mean is a complete newbie like Cullen Grace - any time he got was a bonus.
A slightly different tack - people who I'd want to see in the first test next year (based on what we've seen).
Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Will Jordan.
I guess that's part of the argument, how do you become established if not given games...and how do you get games if not stand outs in super rugby
Well if you're not a stand out in SR, how did you in the squad?
Development for junior players in the All Blacks comes during the week, not the weekend. Then where injury, rest or opportunity provides they can come off the bench. We don't have the mid-week games anymore so the balance has to be on winning Tests and then worrying about opportunities. This poses the larger problem of having played the best possible team to secure some silverware we make too many changes.
I don't consider anyone didn't get a fair crack this season, hampered as it was by covid-19. That's not the same as pointing out positional selections were debatable.
