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  • NepiaN Offline
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    Unsurprising that it's the Magpies best chance at getting back in the 1st Division in a while so NZR decide to change the format. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    @Nepia said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:

    Unsurprising that it's the Magpies best chance at getting back in the 1st Division in a while so NZR decide to change the format. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Hmmm.... the Magpies might get promoted

    The NZRU drone dusts off an ancient red ringbinder, checks emergency instructions

    Aha! An urgent restructure of the entire competition is called for

    ๐Ÿ™‚

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    @Kiwiwomble said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:

    my big problem with the north south thing is, and the article says as much, the North is really the only one that will save money. But the north also is drawing on a much bigger population base, greater auckland and hamilton is like 2M people, So they have a greater ability to raise money.

    so we're saying to someone like southland, you have one of the smallest populations...and not only are you not going to be able to save some money, we still want you to fly to the north island...but we're going to limit the games you can make money off

    I assume that NZR still pays for flights through a sponsorship deal with Air NZ so there would be a net saving to NZR. If the unions now pay for all travel costs I can understand the criticism of the proposed new format.

    I did read an article where Southland stated they will be disadvantaged and suggested a fairer system to spread the costs of travel more evenly.

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    @Bovidae said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:

    I did read an article where Southland stated they will be disadvantaged and suggested a fairer system to spread the costs of travel more evenly.

    They do know that they will get home games don't they?

    Perhaps they mean that leaving Invercargill is more expensive than going there due to demand?

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    @Snowy i read it as it may not be any more expensive than it is currently...but it wont be cheaper, so disadvantaged compared to other unions rather than disadvantaged compared to the current format

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    @Snowy Their point was that every away game except Otago requires travelling by air. NZR has a 6 hr travel limit by bus (increased from 4 hrs).

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    @Bovidae The same applies to Ta$man. Air travel to all by air, except Canterbury.

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    @Stargazer Ta$man obviously has a much bigger budget. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    @Bovidae Yeah I got that and was taking the piss a bit, but everybody going to visit them has to do the same thing (except Otago).

    Flying into a southerly headwind is slower admittedly.

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    It might be good news for Hawke's and bad news for North Harbour.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/300169290/new-zealand-rugby-leaning-towards-retaining-the-status-quo-for-2021-mitre-10-cup-format

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    The savings for NZR were/are about $700,000.

    At the chairman/ceo's meeting with NZR during the week there was one province which didn't relish being in the South Pool because they would be facing Wellington, Canterbury and Ta$man every year.

    The North Island teams in the South Pool would have to spend two nights away when playing each of their four matches in the South Island.

    Auckland and Canterbury usually counted a bigger than average gate when playing each other every year and there would be no guarantee they would meet every year.

    All sorts of individual "anomalies" like that.

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    @Number-10 Who pays for the travel and accommodation? PUs, NZR, or both?

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    I am all for splitting Heartland into two island with playoffs following. That makes it more sustainable and likely more enjoyable. But not the same for the top 14 as I feel it is one more step in reducing the importance of this level. Anyway there is no need to rush it as Canterbury was not relegated and we have seen great promotion and relegation battles to stimulate public interest in the closing weeks.

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    @Bovidae be good to see a comp with more All Blacks in it , itโ€™s a real irony that the best game of the Mitre 10 Cup was Canterbury v Taranaki Ranfurly Shield match ,with teams stacked with All Blacks ..itโ€™s the fringe All Blacks that really kill some teams , Canterbury losing Dunshea & Grace who were hardly used across the ditch for example .
    In terms of 2nd & 3rd best games , The North Harbour v Ta$man game and Harbour v Auckland games were real quality , once again because all teams had reasonable squads on the paddock ..
    for me I will be wrapt if the status quo will remain ..thereโ€™s a lot to like about how both Bay of Plenty & Hawkes Bay have managed to build their depth as top dogs in the last 2 seasons of the championship and that puts them in good stead for the premiership division ..

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    @Steven-Harris What was the best game of Mitre 10 Cup is subjective. To me it was Hawke's Bay v Canterbury.

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    @Stargazer was a good result for the locals , and the comeback made it , but I actually thought it was meandering along until Hawkes Bay found another gear where the Canterbury v Taranaki game as an impartial watcher with both sides at Full Strength turned on a game that was more the level of Super Rugby..the performance of Lachlan Boshier in that particular game was next level...I found it an incredible watch ..

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    @Bovidae said in North and South divisions in the NPC?:

    @Number-10 Who pays for the travel and accommodation? PUs, NZR, or both?

    NZR pays for 27 people on air travel. Last year it was 29.

    If PU's want to take more than 27 then the PU has to pay for that extra number above 27.

    Accomodation is paid by the PU.

    That's why for Mitre 10 Cup playoff matches the away team receives a fee of $10,000 from the host union to cover costs.

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    NZR Board meets today.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    It looks like a decision will be announced on Thursday but there is going to be changes either way.

    Typically, NZR dishes out $30m annually to the PUs but that figure is poised to drop.
    PUs are facing funding cuts of up to 20 per cent from NZR, as the governing body tries to figure out a sustainable financial future.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/123624763/judgment-day-for-provincial-rugby-as-new-zealand-rugby-board-decides-on-its-future

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/300179992/new-zealand-rugby-needs-more-time-to-decide-on-future-of-provincial-competitions

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