Mouthguards
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@NTA said in Mouthguards:
Correct tackle technique - biting down (clench), tongue on the roof of the mouth - will stabilise the neck.
You know they're different muscles, yeah?
Having a shock absorber between your teeth will assist with dispersing the vibration from impact.
Not really. The biomechanics of brain injury are the intense acceleration and rotational forces it is subjected to. Hence why helmets have foam inside to reduce peak acceleration.
Wearing a mouth guard doesn't change angular velocity from a oblique impact. The brain isn't rigidly fixed inside the head, hence why it suffers damage to the tissue, nerves and blood vessels as they stretch or impact the skull.
@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@antipodean well no, but do you really think we are going to be able to properly answer that question for you, or to a level that is going to satisfy you?
I wasn't expecting you to come up with an answer. The point of the question was to highlight a glaring issue with the theory. That's before we acknowledge the self-serving nature of the research; get a mouth guard fitted by our members.
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@antipodean said in Mouthguards:
@NTA said in Mouthguards:
Correct tackle technique - biting down (clench), tongue on the roof of the mouth - will stabilise the neck.
You know they're different muscles, yeah?
You know they don't operate in isolation, yeah?
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@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
I think this is poor form, I notice a number of players ABs and Super rugby dont seem to wear them, does set a poor example for kids who have to wear them and are told they will be be sent off the field if they are not wearing them.
My view is if Savea doesn't want to wear a mouth guard what's the issue. Its different to say rules on boot studs or head tackles as this can affect other players. But if he doesn't wear a mouth guard it only impacts him. Maybe get him to sign a form confirming that he understands the risks but otherwise let him wear or not wear them
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@antipodean well given I know someone who has had multiple concussions during his rugby career, now suffering severe dementia, if a mouthguard is going to help reduce risk/impact by only 1%, then thats fine by me.
@Winger NZ RPA agreement, so that becomes an employment issue I expect.
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@NTA said in Mouthguards:
@antipodean said in Mouthguards:
@NTA said in Mouthguards:
Correct tackle technique - biting down (clench), tongue on the roof of the mouth - will stabilise the neck.
You know they're different muscles, yeah?
You know they don't operate in isolation, yeah?
You have to tense your neck to close your mouth?
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@antipodean said in Mouthguards:
@NTA said in Mouthguards:
Correct tackle technique - biting down (clench), tongue on the roof of the mouth - will stabilise the neck.
You know they're different muscles, yeah?
Having a shock absorber between your teeth will assist with dispersing the vibration from impact.
Not really. The biomechanics of brain injury are the intense acceleration and rotational forces it is subjected to. Hence why helmets have foam inside to reduce peak acceleration.
Wearing a mouth guard doesn't change angular velocity from a oblique impact. The brain isn't rigidly fixed inside the head, hence why it suffers damage to the tissue, nerves and blood vessels as they stretch or impact the skull.
@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@antipodean well no, but do you really think we are going to be able to properly answer that question for you, or to a level that is going to satisfy you?
I wasn't expecting you to come up with an answer. The point of the question was to highlight a glaring issue with the theory. That's before we acknowledge the self-serving nature of the research; get a mouth guard fitted by our members.
a mouth guard will help absorb some of the shock of the lower jaw slamming into the upper and the associated shock through the head, no one has said they stop all kinds of concussion...but they do help with some, plus things like teeth and jaw damage
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@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@antipodean well given I know someone who has had multiple concussions during his rugby career, now suffering severe dementia, if a mouthguard is going to help reduce risk/impact by only 1%, then thats fine by me.
If isn't a scientific basis. There's plenty of good reasons to wear a mouth guard. I do, kindly provided by my mate who is a orthodontist.
The easiest method for reducing risk to head trauma in a collision sport is to implement rules around direct head contact. But that doesn't change the fact someone can be knocked out from a perfectly legal tackle.
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always wore one to play. the custom made ones were awesome.
but i never wore it to training. And lo i got dropped out of a lineout straight on to some poor fuckers head, and chipped my two top teeth. always wore it after that
i just think it's hilarious that the clown who thought it was a good idea to wear Horace Grant goggles on the field won't wear a mouthguard.
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@mariner4life said in Mouthguards:
and chipped my two top teeth
ha, I fell down the steps at the rugby club afterwards and chipped mine, now have to have a bridge...I was 10 so alcohol wasnt involved haha
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I can't imagine not wearing a mouthguard playing rugby at that level.
I wore a 3 year old horse's forehead direct to the face while I had braces. That was a long afternoon at the Orthodontist. By the time I got to the emergency room afterwards they just said too late for us to do anything (I have one lip that looks a bit Stallone-ish now) but at least I kept all of my teeth. The ortho said that he though the only reason I kept them was the braces otherwise I'd have lost four.
When you think about the fact that rugby at that level is similar to recovering from a car crash, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't take every measure to protect themselves as it would be easy to have hits with similar force.
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@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@mariner4life said in Mouthguards:
and chipped my two top teeth
ha, I fell down the steps at the rugby club afterwards and chipped mine, now have to have a bridge...I was 10 so alcohol wasnt involved haha
Was it on ACC? You should get an implant....
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@canefan said in Mouthguards:
@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@mariner4life said in Mouthguards:
and chipped my two top teeth
ha, I fell down the steps at the rugby club afterwards and chipped mine, now have to have a bridge...I was 10 so alcohol wasnt involved haha
Was it on ACC? You should get an implant....
Australia. And i did nothing about it. Som my two middle top teeth are a but thinner than the rest.
I have an implant from another one i had to get pulled. cheap aye....
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@mariner4life said in Mouthguards:
@canefan said in Mouthguards:
@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@mariner4life said in Mouthguards:
and chipped my two top teeth
ha, I fell down the steps at the rugby club afterwards and chipped mine, now have to have a bridge...I was 10 so alcohol wasnt involved haha
Was it on ACC? You should get an implant....
Australia. And i did nothing about it. Som my two middle top teeth are a but thinner than the rest.
I have an implant from another one i had to get pulled. cheap aye....
In NZ, for an eligible patient, ACC funded implants are cheaper than a bridge at our practice. Its crazy
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@canefan yes and hahahahahaha
Was originally a plate, whihc sucked, had that until my mid-20s, then when I lived in the UK I got a plate done (at my cost £600) but when I returned to NZ I needed to get the bridge re-done/repaired, I contributed $800 of the $4,500 for a new one.
Implant was never offered, but I guess that ship has sailed as it would require 3 now due to the bridge?
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@canefan said in Mouthguards:
@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@mariner4life said in Mouthguards:
and chipped my two top teeth
ha, I fell down the steps at the rugby club afterwards and chipped mine, now have to have a bridge...I was 10 so alcohol wasnt involved haha
Was it on ACC? You should get an implant....
You drumming up work?
My front two teeth were broken when I was about 12 (hockey not rugby for that one). Root canal, metal pins that pretty much go up behind my nose, crowns. All that shit that @canefan can correct me on. Then I smacked them again (showing off on waterskis) in my late teens. Pretty much same process.
Not sure that a mouthgaurd would have helped in either case but it wouldn't have been a bad idea either.
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@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
I contributed $800 of the $4,500 for a new one.
No wonder the government doesn't want to extend Medicare's coverage of dentistry.
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@Snowy said in Mouthguards:
@canefan said in Mouthguards:
@taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:
@mariner4life said in Mouthguards:
and chipped my two top teeth
ha, I fell down the steps at the rugby club afterwards and chipped mine, now have to have a bridge...I was 10 so alcohol wasnt involved haha
Was it on ACC? You should get an implant....
You drumming up work?
My front two teeth were broken when I was about 12 (hockey not rugby for that one). Root canal, metal pins that pretty much go up behind my nose, crowns. All that shit that @canefan can correct me on. Then I smacked them again (showing off on waterskis) in my late teens. Pretty much same process.
Not sure that a mouthgaurd would have helped in either case but it wouldn't have been a bad idea either.
Not touting. But make sure you have the ACC number kept up to date. 2 implants are about $12k private and for example at our place you would only pay about 800 total. Best deal around courtesy of ACC
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@canefan said in Mouthguards:
If it was on ACC they will cover you (assuming the funding is the same) for life. Ridiculous
Was definitely ACC. There were a lot of forms to fill out.
Didn't know about the "for life" thing. No way I will have the ACC number it was over 30 years ago.
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@Snowy said in Mouthguards:
@canefan said in Mouthguards:
If it was on ACC they will cover you (assuming the funding is the same) for life. Ridiculous
Was definitely ACC. There were a lot of forms to fill out.
Didn't know about the "for life" thing. No way I will have the ACC number it was over 30 years ago.
You can file a statutory declaration. As long as you have an approximate date and location, and get an up to date xray and photo you should be sweet. Implant approval does depend on condition of your other teeth though, if you are missing some teeth that could be a problem
