Cannabis debate
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@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
@Toddy being that close, I think the Govt. really need to be taking a look at making the decision.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. To hold a referendum and then try and wish it away doesn't seem like a terrible great move (didn't go too well in the UK)
It is effectively decriminalized, that seems reasonable given where the electorate is.
It will now reasonably pass if/when 60-70% of the population support it and Labor have a leader who is willing to lose some skin on the issue and include it in their platform or as a concession to the Greens in forming a future government. I don't think another referendum will be needed.
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@Godder said in Cannabis debate:
My pick is for the Ministers of Justice and Police to do some quiet work with their organisations on any perceived ethnic bias in charging decisions, some health-related minor changes, and the Greens to campaign on it at the next election.
Probably need to address the concerns of the no voters as well in terms of driving checks (if possible?), health affects for younger adults, stuff like that.
If you have a clear plan of introducing it to community safely it would allieviate some concerns.
And absolutely need to play up the gang aspect, reducing your kids interactions with criminals should be fairly popular...
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@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
@rotated i don't think it should have gone to referendum in the first place.
I think the 'yes' team did a poor job of educating people.
Totally agree. Bundling recreational use with medicinal use, not explaining the current situation regarding availability of medicinal, Chloe just did a sub par job
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@canefan pretty rough to hang that on a single MP. But I would definitely agree it didn't get enough clear messaging, even though some of that was the hot mess of 2020 reducing our collective bandwidth. Shits been pretty hectic!
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@Paekakboyz said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan pretty rough to hang that on a single MP. But I would definitely agree it didn't get enough clear messaging, even though some of that was the hot mess of 2020 reducing our collective bandwidth. Shits been pretty hectic!
Just being glib mate. Its Friday night!
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@Paekakboyz said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan plus more tax revenue and fewer folks to pay for in prison!
Well Little wants to let everyone out anyway
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@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@Paekakboyz said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan plus more tax revenue and fewer folks to pay for in prison!
Well Little wants to let everyone out anyway
Davis already got over 1000 of them out just by making Corrections follow the rules as written.
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@Paekakboyz said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan pretty rough to hang that on a single MP. But I would definitely agree it didn't get enough clear messaging
kinda ironic that the pro-cannabis struggled to communicate clearly and articulately.
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@nzzp said in Cannabis debate:
@Paekakboyz said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan pretty rough to hang that on a single MP. But I would definitely agree it didn't get enough clear messaging
kinda ironic that the pro-cannabis struggled to communicate clearly and articulately.
I bet they had the best snacks though
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@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@nzzp said in Cannabis debate:
@Paekakboyz said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan pretty rough to hang that on a single MP. But I would definitely agree it didn't get enough clear messaging
kinda ironic that the pro-cannabis struggled to communicate clearly and articulately.
I bet they had the best snacks though
none left for the punters though
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@nzzp said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@nzzp said in Cannabis debate:
@Paekakboyz said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan pretty rough to hang that on a single MP. But I would definitely agree it didn't get enough clear messaging
kinda ironic that the pro-cannabis struggled to communicate clearly and articulately.
I bet they had the best snacks though
none left for the punters though
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A recently published op-ed about Cannabis and teen users (this is the guy I was linking to above):
More concerning is that over 20% of adolescents got their marijuana from an adult.
The federal Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance Survey recently showed that every drug used by adolescents is on the decline -- except for marijuana, which is overall increasing.
This relationship between marijuana use and mental health is underscored in Colorado, where marijuana has become the most prevalent substance found in completed teen suicide. Prior to legalization, the substance typically found was alcohol, but the trend reversed post-legalization. There were significant mental health circumstances surrounding the completed teen suicides with "current depressed mood" noted most often (53%). The link between depression and cannabis use is well established and recent data show that individuals with depression are at increasing risk of cannabis use, particularly if there is daily, or near-daily use. Individuals with depression have nearly double the odds of using cannabis compared to people without depression and this association has strengthened over time.
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@gt12 What that tells me is we are doing a piss poor job of helping youth with depression. If it's not Cannabis it is alcohol or whatever drug is available to help suppress the pain they are going through.
As with all drugs we need to help the people who are most vulnerable to abuse, that is often people with mental health issues, poverty etc.
At least if the drug is legal you can control its quality, be able to talk openly with professionals about your usage and get help if you have a problem.
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