AFL 2021
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
Geelong have too many big names who go missing when the heat goes on. Look a million bucks when Collingwood and the lions don't show up, disappear when Richmond put the squeeze on. Their list is cooked despite looking good.
I mean yeah, but also that's a bit harsh. They were just edged out in a GF, against an all-time dynasty side.
Of course they could be better, but surely if you were a Geelong fan or coach you'd be pretty satisfied with your season when all is said and done.
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
@antipodean said in AFL 2020:
How much is Geelong paying Hawkins? Anything over his subs seems a waste.
a salary to make finals, not win them
Should probably pay more then.
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@barbarian said in AFL 2020:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
Geelong have too many big names who go missing when the heat goes on. Look a million bucks when Collingwood and the lions don't show up, disappear when Richmond put the squeeze on. Their list is cooked despite looking good.
I mean yeah, but also that's a bit harsh. They were just edged out in a GF, against an all-time dynasty side.
Of course they could be better, but surely if you were a Geelong fan or coach you'd be pretty satisfied with your season when all is said and done.
if the goal is to win a flag, and you make the top 4 year after year, and yet never win, i reckon you can say they have an issue.
Dustin Martin put a battling team on his back and got them home. What did Dangerfield, Hawkins and Selwood do?
The team is okay. They'll make top 4 again next year. But i can't see them winning one
I will admit i may be a little pissed at how easily they brushed us aside a week ago, and how meekly they gave this one up once Richmond put the squeeze on.
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
@barbarian said in AFL 2020:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
Geelong have too many big names who go missing when the heat goes on. Look a million bucks when Collingwood and the lions don't show up, disappear when Richmond put the squeeze on. Their list is cooked despite looking good.
I mean yeah, but also that's a bit harsh. They were just edged out in a GF, against an all-time dynasty side.
Of course they could be better, but surely if you were a Geelong fan or coach you'd be pretty satisfied with your season when all is said and done.
if the goal is to win a flag, and you make the top 4 year after year, and yet never win, i reckon you can say they have an issue.
Dustin Martin put a battling team on his back and got them home. What did Dangerfield, Hawkins and Selwood do?
The team is okay. They'll make top 4 again next year. But i can't see them winning one
The goal is obviously to win a flag, and making the top 4 year after year is a bloody good start for that.
I thought Selwood was pretty good in the final, Danger and Hawkins less so. Dusty is an all-timer so holding them to that standard is a bit tough, though if Danger wants to be in that company I agree he needs to be stepping up in those moments. Maybe he's not a champion, he's just really good.
And then from there you just need a bit of luck to win one. They may not be the best team in the comp, but with Jeremy Cameron in there they will be pretty close next year. Parfitt is a really good youngster as well.
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Richmond have the best quality “next best 6 players” in the AFL. Yes they have Dusty and other stars, but it’s what under those players where they are most dangerous.
Their ground work was just better than Geelong’s in that second half.
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I think what gets overlooked with Richmond is their system,
Forget the individuals, obviously dusty is the rockstar , but when they get their game up and going it’s the collective team system that breaks teams down .
This game was so identical to last years prelim v Geelong it was bizarre
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@kiwiinmelb said in AFL 2020:
I think what gets overlooked with Richmond is their system,
Forget the individuals, obviously dusty is the rockstar , but when they get their game up and going it’s the collective team system that breaks teams down .
This game was so identical to last years prelim v Geelong it was bizarre
yeah so much this. when they are up and about, the opposition, no matter who it is, just don't seem to be able to do anything about them. They are a really really good team who are bloody well coached. I bet there are a lot of professional coaches who would love to find what ever switch it was that Hardwick was able to flick to suddenly elevate Ninethmond with a coach on the verge of the sack to a side that has been nigh-on untouchable for 4 years.
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
@kiwiinmelb said in AFL 2020:
I think what gets overlooked with Richmond is their system,
Forget the individuals, obviously dusty is the rockstar , but when they get their game up and going it’s the collective team system that breaks teams down .
This game was so identical to last years prelim v Geelong it was bizarre
yeah so much this. when they are up and about, the opposition, no matter who it is, just don't seem to be able to do anything about them. They are a really really good team who are bloody well coached. I bet there are a lot of professional coaches who would love to find what ever switch it was that Hardwick was able to flick to suddenly elevate Ninethmond with a coach on the verge of the sack to a side that has been nigh-on untouchable for 4 years.
I wonder if part of it was the players believing in the game plan and the switch flicking. I keep going back to All Blacks vs France in 2004.
Part of the other reason is they're doing great work in talent identification and coaching in the lower grades. I think @kiwiinmelb made the point earlier that Richmond's VFL team plays the same way so players can step up and immediately know their role.
I was surprised at how well they adapted in the final missing Soldo and then Vlastuin early to injury.
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
@kiwiinmelb said in AFL 2020:
I think what gets overlooked with Richmond is their system,
Forget the individuals, obviously dusty is the rockstar , but when they get their game up and going it’s the collective team system that breaks teams down .
This game was so identical to last years prelim v Geelong it was bizarre
yeah so much this. when they are up and about, the opposition, no matter who it is, just don't seem to be able to do anything about them. They are a really really good team who are bloody well coached. I bet there are a lot of professional coaches who would love to find what ever switch it was that Hardwick was able to flick to suddenly elevate Ninethmond with a coach on the verge of the sack to a side that has been nigh-on untouchable for 4 years.
It took a while for Richmond and Hardwick though. Some dark times and then the perennial 9th place jibes.
So developing those young players, gaining a bit of success to leverage recruiting and confidence has all added to a well oiled machine.
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I read this book back in 2017 , one of the kids gave it to me for Xmas , there was a major turning point in the 2017 pre season ,
Rare insight into Richmond’s rare premiership
When Fairfax journalist Konrad Marshall embedded himself within the Richmond Football Club to write an inside account of the Tigers’ 2017 season, literally no-one could have dreamed he’d end up writing the story of one of the most remarkable premierships the game had seen.
There was the game plan with the pressure and the surging forward with chaos , which at the time they came up with to suit their list , quick and small ,
but there was a lot of off field stuff going on , and pretty simple stuff , dimma talks about the penny dropping while coaching his daughters basketball team , and that he had overcoached his players , taken away their flair and not allowed them to enjoy the game .
He asked for input from the players , and they expressed how they would like to play and how they would like the club to be a fun place to go to work etc etc.
There is lots more , lots of it is off field , they even stole stuff off the allblacks , sweeping out the sheds etc after the game etcFrom there they seemed to form a belief and bond that was previously missing
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Today in the law of unintended consequences, the AFL's idea to allow clubs to develop young talent at a reduced cost is instead used by clubs to move veterans outside their cap
I for one am excited to see what new, up and coming rookies Eddie Betts, Grant Birchall, and Jarrod Harbrow can do if given an opportunity to play this year.
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so, Swans have parted ways with Elijah Taylor, hell of a roller coaster, given one of the most important numbe rin swans history, domestic abuse allegations and COVID breaches all in a couple of months
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not worth a new thread yet
Jon Patton gets busted being a bit creepy on social meda
as night follows day, Jon Patton admitted to hospital for "mental health"
come the fuck on
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2020:
not worth a new thread yet
Jon Patton gets busted being a bit creepy on social meda
as night follows day, Jon Patton admitted to hospital for "mental health"
come the fuck on
IMO and as an amateur psychologist (
) he's struggling to deal with failure after likely having smoke blown up his nether regions since he was a teenager with agents, clubs, girls etc chasing him since his teenage years.First time he's been told he can't do whatever he likes comes as a bit of shock to the young fulla.
I expect it's not a healthy environment.
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@mariner4life in no way do I underestimate mental health sickness and challenges but I thought the whole “respect privacy” with what has happened was a bit too convenient.
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Eddie McGuire and Collingwood. wow.
The report commissioned in to the culture at the club gets leaked. It's not good around the racisms. Eddie comes out in a presser and tries to spin it as a good day for the Club.
Eddie McGuire is Australian sport's biggest flog. And that's a more loaded field than the Melbourne Cup. It appears that he has done something remarkable, and that is unite Collingwood fans and everyone else. Pretty much everyone thinks he's a fluffybunny today.
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@mariner4life yeah, was very cringy listening too it and scary he doesn't seem to see the damage he does to the club
considering his role in the whole adam goodes situation im really surprised he felt fronting it was a good move
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It had parallels to me with Darren Lehmann after Sandpapergate.
He saw the problem, and as a confident person he instantly thought he was the one who could fix it. But he was too close to it. It took time for it to sink in that as a part of the problem he couldn't be a part of the solution. He resigned a few days later.
I think we might see the same here, although Eddie is as stubborn as they come so who knows.
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@barbarian Eddie's due to go at the end of the year anyway, i wonder if that will influence any decision?
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@mariner4life The question is if anyone at Collingwood has the power or the stones to tell him he should go now. As President he must be almost impossible to overthrow, unless there is some mass uprising by the membership.
