The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Every selection can be justified in some form or other, even today’s selections, so then it just comes down to opinion.
It's always opinions - then it comes down to results.
We didn't go all that great last week and are doing the same thing.
I don’t think we are doing the same thing though. Made a change at hooker. We’ve got our best fullback at fullback.
We have selected our most experienced midfielder who has solely played in the midfield for the ABs (except one stint on the wing in an emergency vs BIL).
I agree there are still issues but there are changes there.
Well, still plenty of players being messed around. Our best full back is also our best 10 could be argued. His brother could be our best 15, but not a great wing. "Very arguably" our best 7 is at 8. Our best 12 is 13, our best 13 is at 12.
Plenty of opinion of course but it doesn't look right and neither did the "team" last week.
So yes, I think that we are doing the same thing again which is dissapointing.
The "building combinations" thing doesn't wash either for me when nobody knows where they should be positioned or how to link up given the lack of experience in the role, especially at test level. Yes we have had plenty of players succesfully move but we shouldn't shuffle them like cards for the same match.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Every selection can be justified in some form or other, even today’s selections, so then it just comes down to opinion.
It's always opinions - then it comes down to results.
We didn't go all that great last week and are doing the same thing.
I don’t think we are doing the same thing though. Made a change at hooker. We’ve got our best fullback at fullback.
We have selected our most experienced midfielder who has solely played in the midfield for the ABs (except one stint on the wing in an emergency vs BIL).
I agree there are still issues but there are changes there.
Certainly not based on 2020
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@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
The "building combinations" thing doesn't wash either for me
Not in the midfield. We're back to Hansen 2015-2019 Midfield Roulette
One of the more frustrating things of recent times.
I will say that it was a revolving door prior to settling with Nonu/Conrad
I can remember a lot of different combinations prior to that world class one!
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
"building combinations" thing doesn't wash either for me
more so when they made changes in the more problematic area of the mid-field, and then we are told it was how they planned ot do it anyway, assume to deflect from talk of Ioane being dropped.
@nzzp think it was 25 tests in a row we had a different combo start
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The mid field is so frustrating. It's really obvious when you make a error as a player, and you aren't sure what the guy next to you is going to do in the first instance, as you haven't played with the guy before.
And yet we keep doing it, (or swap the numbers).
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@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Guess we'll agree to disagree. There were some positional oddities, but generally the Cartel were excellent at identifying talent ant then getting the best out of it. Dane Coles stood out for me - they grabbed him as a raw, reckless muppet and turned him into a remarkable hooker
I think that is where we have to be prepared to cut Foster some slack though. If he has a strong conviction that Cane/Savea at 7/8 or Jordie on the right wing is a long term answer then he should be given at least the remainder of this year to persevere with that and see if it pays dividends.
That said when you drop Ioane after one test you clearly don't have much conviction - at least in the midfield.
I almost wish we would get back to the 1980s/90s selection style where certain coaches just had fundamental objections/preferences to players based on their style of play and how that would fit into the ABs. Imagine having two successive coaches agnostic about whether Mehrtens or Spencer were better placed in the 10 jersey for example - yet here we are...
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@rotated said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I think that is where we have to be prepared to cut Foster some slack though.
Tough to do, when he has been carrying the shit Chiefs baggage for well over a decade and not really seeming to grow out of it.
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@rotated said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I think that is where we have to be prepared to cut Foster some slack though.
Tough to do, when he has been carrying the shit Chiefs baggage for well over a decade and not really seeming to grow out of it.
You can’t be too hard on Fozzie for the Chiefs tenure, let’s not forget the Crusaders were ruining Super Rugby during that time by playing in 5 championship games and winning 3 titles.
The Bulls also did their part in ruining Super Rugby as well.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@rotated said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I think that is where we have to be prepared to cut Foster some slack though.
Tough to do, when he has been carrying the shit Chiefs baggage for well over a decade and not really seeming to grow out of it.
You can’t be too hard on Fozzie for the Chiefs tenure, let’s not forget the Crusaders were ruining Super Rugby during that time by playing in 5 championship games and winning 3 titles.
The Bulls also did their part in ruining Super Rugby as well.
How good one side is doesn't really make any difference. The selections can't be blamed on the coach? Nor the poor performances?
What was it, results wise, a 4th and absolutely smacked by the Bulls in a final? Over about 10 years? I am not whelmed.
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You'd also like to think fozzie has learned a bit since he left the Chiefs, hopefully Sunday will provide some evidence of this ability to learn
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@rotated said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I think that is where we have to be prepared to cut Foster some slack though. If he has a strong conviction that Cane/Savea at 7/8 or Jordie on the right wing is a long term answer then he should be given at least the remainder of this year to persevere with that and see if it pays dividends.
That said when you drop Ioane after one test you clearly don't have much conviction - at least in the midfield.
I think we do have to cut Fozzie a little bit of slack, but only up until the Bledisloe goes west.
I think last weekend's selection was a safety selection. He wanted to get a win on the board, silence the critics, and build from there. But, it all went a bit wrong - not least because Beaudy got injured and he lost one of his trump cards (already having Retallick not in the mix).
This weekend he has Beaudy back (though I remain apprehensive of a late withdrawal - leaving Fozzie up the duff). So that's a plus, but significantly offset, I think, by losing Sam Whitelock.
I'm not really mystified by Rieko sliding to the bench. He provides plenty of attacking firepower, which is seductive, but he's still got training wheels on in defense. So, stick him on the bench and have the option to inject his obvious points scoring potential if and when it's needed.
What does mystify me is the revelation that Goodhue-ALB is better than ALB-Goodhue, when Fozzie has been coaching the All Black backs for 8 years. Now ALB's best position might be centre, but I've seen nothing to suggest that Jack's best position is 2nd five.
I guess he thinks he's being safe again playing Jordie on the wing, but I would have picked Sevu there for experience - it's a bit surprising that the apparent order of precedence among his wings is Bridge, Clarke, Jordan, Reece.
In the forwards - well, I'm glad that Hodgman has replaced Big Karl - it looked like we had the second coming of Billy Cavubati out there last Sunday.
Sam Whitelock is a huge loss. I thought he was one of our best last Sunday and he's being replaced by a guy who frankly I know almost nothing about. He might as well be Bryn Evans!
We are really going to need a few guys who've promised in Super rugby, but not really delivered massively in tests, to grab the bull by the horns.
Have to say, even though I'm heavily against playing two opensides - we've made our bed with Ardie at 8 for this game. He's one of our trump cards and we can't really afford to have him benched for a rookie, given the number of other relative rookies we've got running around.
I'm slightly concerned by Plumtree's assertion that if the ref doesn't control the Aussie's cheap-shotting, we'll have to have a crack ourselves. That's the sort of thing that leads to cards in test matches - and with both teams looking to assert themselves, card(s) won't surprise me.
The TAB says NZ$1.13; Oz $5.30.
There's a lot of believers in the Kaikoura fish and chip hoodoo.
I think Rennie will smell blood in the water and he won't have too much trouble getting his troops to believe. If nothing else, I reckon cards give a lie to those odds.
On the plus side, if we lose, the Bled is so far out the door that Fozzie might as well chuck out the bathwater and any babies that go with it - and pick his team of the future for the return tests.
Though his future might be pretty truncated!
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Wow.
Ted haha.
Asked to choose between Rennie and Foster, Graham Henry said he would pick the Wallabies coach as his man. "I talked in the media about this before and (was) asked who should coach the All Blacks and I was very vocal about Rennie," Henry said. "But Dave Rennie went to Glasgow and went and coached there after winning two Super titles with the Chiefs. "I think he's got it all and no disrespect to Fozzie, no disrespect, and New Zealand Rugby - this is some time ago, not recently - were meant to keep in contact with players and coaches who had a big influence with professional rugby in this country and went overseas and they didn't do that. If they had done that with Dave Rennie he would have applied for the All Black job. "I think we stuffed up quite frankly because he is a quality person and a quality coach and you've seen it straight away with the Wallabies. They will play for him, and that's no disrespect to Fozzie, that's just circumstantial, so I've answered the question." "Dave Rennie is a fabulous coach, no doubt. New Zealand Rugby c**ked that up. They should have been connecting with Dave and (Japan coach) Jamie Joseph and other people around the world to keep them involved in New Zealand Rugby. (But they) didn't contact Dave Rennie for three years, and Dave Rennie is fabulous, so he's going to do a great job with Australia. Whether they've got the personnel to be up there for the World Cup, I think they probably will with Dave Rennie. -
@KiwiMurph Wow - that is a serious crack at NZ Rugby - and probably deserved.
There has been plenty of sleeping on the job in terms of their competition structures over the past several years (we've just been discussing one of them) and things seem to have got significantly worse since Tew left.
Seems SGH thinks they've been sleeping on the job with their succession planning - and their negotiating on a new Super rugby structure appears to have been a fucking shambles.
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@Chris-B said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@KiwiMurph Wow - that is a serious crack at NZ Rugby - and probably deserved.
There has been plenty of sleeping on the job in terms of their competition structures over the past several years (we've just been discussing one of them) and things seem to have got significantly worse since Tew left.
something like 90 people working there - it's gone through the roof over the last few years
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@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Chris-B said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@KiwiMurph Wow - that is a serious crack at NZ Rugby - and probably deserved.
There has been plenty of sleeping on the job in terms of their competition structures over the past several years (we've just been discussing one of them) and things seem to have got significantly worse since Tew left.
something like 90 people working there - it's gone through the roof over the last few years
AIG money. Can't buy competence obviously.
'New Zealand Rugby c**ked that up': Sir Graham Henry says Dave Rennie should be All Blacks coach
