Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ARHS said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I thought the crowd reaction at the fulltime whistle was absolutely disgraceful. Ashamed to be a kiwi from that. Both teams gave it all they had to go for a win - for 9 minutes beyond in a tight game. Fantastic effort players and officials.
Might be an unpopular thing to say here, but that kind of crowd behaviour is not unexpected from NZ these days. Anecdotally have heard it from many nationalities as I get around the club scene here in Sydney.
Don't know if it is a generational thing, but the level of boorishness in rugby crowds is generally increasing. Throw in the ABs success and it seems like some fans feel they've been given licence to think their nation owns the game.
I don't disagree with any of that but must say that a fair deal of the booing right at the end would have been reactionary. The excitement and entertainment they paid for was cut off by a decision to take a draw. I would have been disappointed and let out a groan as well
But you’re just a grumpy old man 😉
Correct.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@pakman said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Bullshit fucking penalty. We folded Karl T like a cheap deck chair at the previous scrum and ZERO
Looked to me like Oz TH bored in and hooker also shoved diagonally left. Karl T in effect was peeled off. Some refs would penalise Wallabies for that, but because of the optics was surprised ABs weren't.
Karl packed crooked to start with - as a LHP you can't be at that angle on the engage because any forward momentum from that point makes you look bad.
Unless the ref is a screaming pile of incompetence.
Will check out when I rewatch!
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Mounga had a really poor game I thought given the weather. I also think goodhue should be 13 or not in the team. Best memory will be Clarke’s cameo. O for awesome. You’d have to think BB to 10 and JB to 15 for the next game.
On Mo'unga's bad/quiet game, only NTA has mentioned the late hits on him. I counted three times where RM was down in back play (Wilson's late hit, being clattered in the lead up to Reiko's non-try and then twice in the second half) after late hits in addition to the big hit early (11 mins?) from Toomua.
As for centres, haven't almost all of the AB's centre choices in recent years been forced by injuries? ALB/Laumape/SBW/Crotty all had injuries at various points during 2018 and 2019 while Reiko has only begun his move to centre in 2020. Goodhue has ended up in 12/13 by being available.
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@ACT-Crusader Thank you sir 🙂
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA Is there a confirmation bias awareness component to that qualification?
Always
Just like Kiwis being Custodians Of The Game 
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ARHS said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I thought the crowd reaction at the fulltime whistle was absolutely disgraceful. Ashamed to be a kiwi from that. Both teams gave it all they had to go for a win - for 9 minutes beyond in a tight game. Fantastic effort players and officials.
Might be an unpopular thing to say here, but that kind of crowd behaviour is not unexpected from NZ these days. Anecdotally have heard it from many nationalities as I get around the club scene here in Sydney.
Don't know if it is a generational thing, but the level of boorishness in rugby crowds is generally increasing. Throw in the ABs success and it seems like some fans feel they've been given licence to think their nation owns the game.
I don't disagree with any of that but must say that a fair deal of the booing right at the end would have been reactionary. The excitement and entertainment they paid for was cut off by a decision to take a draw. I would have been disappointed and let out a groan as well.
I was there and I groaned when we knocked it on forcing a static defensive ruck on own line. That was when I knew the game was over and it was a draw. Good 30 seconds to to compose yourself before the actual final whistle. Chance to then acknowledge them emptying the tank for 8 extra minutes.
There is little rugby-intelligence in an NZ crowd anymore, IMO.
Barely anyone cheers or claps the little moments that creates or switches momentum or relieves danger; The bundle into touch, the perfect exit, the finger tip kick catch in swirling wind, a counter maul or hold up in the tackle, the driving maul. I'd say turnovers are the only thing acknowledged but only if it is a penalty turnover. An in-game turnover is probably too subtle for the morons to notice. Some of the crowd might also notice a lineout against the throw as it is obvious.
Just sit there and wait for a try or for the music. There to be entertained not to participate. But in saying that 75% of people didn't boo, because 75% make no noise anyway ....
Doesn't help that your're so far from the action and the DJ kills it anyway as soon as a rare moment of crowd participation happens, seems a bit futile, maybe the other NZ grounds are better.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I don't disagree with any of that but must say that a fair deal of the booing right at the end would have been reactionary. The excitement and entertainment they paid for was cut off by a decision to take a draw. I would have been disappointed and let out a groan as well.
I took it as 50% booing the officials for not giving a penalty and 50% booing the Wallabies for not rolling over and dying like good little West Islanders
That chip on your shoulder is really coming out this morning isn't it?
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@Chris-B said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@pakman said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Bullshit fucking penalty. We folded Karl T like a cheap deck chair at the previous scrum and ZERO
Looked to me like Oz TH bored in and hooker also shoved diagonally left. Karl T in effect was peeled off. Some refs would penalise Wallabies for that, but because of the optics was surprised ABs weren't.
Karl packed crooked to start with - as a LHP you can't be at that angle on the engage because any forward momentum from that point makes you look bad.
Can't comment on the scrums - but, if you watch Big Karl in general play, he basically just takes up space.
Unless they're concerned about Hodgman's scrummaging, I'd put Alex on the bench next week.
i was seriously concerned about Karl in those final moments. When ever he was involved i thought there was a mild case for a penalty. He seemed to just flop sideways on the top of quite a few rucks. He really did add nothing
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I don't disagree with any of that but must say that a fair deal of the booing right at the end would have been reactionary. The excitement and entertainment they paid for was cut off by a decision to take a draw. I would have been disappointed and let out a groan as well.
I took it as 50% booing the officials for not giving a penalty and 50% booing the Wallabies for not rolling over and dying like good little West Islanders
That chip on your shoulder is really coming out this morning isn't it?
You're just shitty because you didn't win.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@pakman said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Bullshit fucking penalty. We folded Karl T like a cheap deck chair at the previous scrum and ZERO
Looked to me like Oz TH bored in and hooker also shoved diagonally left. Karl T in effect was peeled off. Some refs would penalise Wallabies for that, but because of the optics was surprised ABs weren't.
Karl packed crooked to start with - as a LHP you can't be at that angle on the engage because any forward momentum from that point makes you look bad.
Unless the ref is a screaming pile of incompetence.
Karl T won't make Bled 2, he was terrible off the bench. Hodgman should get the bench spot.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I don't disagree with any of that but must say that a fair deal of the booing right at the end would have been reactionary. The excitement and entertainment they paid for was cut off by a decision to take a draw. I would have been disappointed and let out a groan as well.
I took it as 50% booing the officials for not giving a penalty and 50% booing the Wallabies for not rolling over and dying like good little West Islanders
That chip on your shoulder is really coming out this morning isn't it?
You're just shitty because you didn't win.
I'm really not.
I'm disappointed but not surprised that we played shit. I'm also a little jealous of the Wallabies, especially their young forwards, being built by your coaching set up.
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I still don't get how, after all these years and experience, the message hasn't got through to players about kicking when it is windy in the Caketin.
The best goalkickers there don't 'allow' for anything. Best option is to aim down the middle and let the swirl take it both ways. Hodge did that and was inches away from an incredible score.
With out of hand kicking keep it flat Jordie! WTF is with kicking high for distance against a swirling headwind! -
@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
But how good was that Aggies win over the Gators!!
Result! I watched a bit of Miami-Clemson ... Clemson just dismantled them, and Miami struggled to fire a shot. Defence got ripped.
Aggies needed that win.
Only saw bits and pieces of the Clemson game, but watched them put away Virginia last week. Lawrence is steadily improving behind what I think is the best offensive line in the nation.
Clemson v Irish in a month’s time. Should be big.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Chris-B said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@pakman said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Bullshit fucking penalty. We folded Karl T like a cheap deck chair at the previous scrum and ZERO
Looked to me like Oz TH bored in and hooker also shoved diagonally left. Karl T in effect was peeled off. Some refs would penalise Wallabies for that, but because of the optics was surprised ABs weren't.
Karl packed crooked to start with - as a LHP you can't be at that angle on the engage because any forward momentum from that point makes you look bad.
Can't comment on the scrums - but, if you watch Big Karl in general play, he basically just takes up space.
Unless they're concerned about Hodgman's scrummaging, I'd put Alex on the bench next week.
i was seriously concerned about Karl in those final moments. When ever he was involved i thought there was a mild case for a penalty. He seemed to just flop sideways on the top of quite a few rucks. He really did add nothing
I need to watch those minutes again. Marshall was yelling for the ABs to be penalized a couple of times and at least once someone seemed to have flopped in from the side.
Funnily enough, I'm not sure quite what Karl got pinged for when he did get penalized. He did actually look like he'd got a clean steal - but, probably something was leaning on something. Needs another look.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Hooroo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Oh no! A new amateur ref who suddenly thinks he knows it all. The worst kind of armchair commentator!
Show me your qualifications, and we'll talk.
I've been a ref for longer.
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@Chris-B said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I need to watch those minutes again. Marshall was yelling for the ABs to be penalized a couple of times and at least once someone seemed to have flopped in from the side.
It looked to me that Williams didn't want to make a game changing decision unless it was obvious to him and those last few hectic minutes when the play was helter skelter at either end he looked overwhelmed.
I though Koroibete must've been miles offside in the final turnover, but haven't watched it again to confirm. In the end I think the draw was a reasonable outcome for both teams.
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@antipodean I thought Koroibete was offside by miles as well. On the other hand, Kart T flopping sideways throughout the final 5 minutes....... Seemed consistent.
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Don't know if you heard the mic at the end but Cane was talking to Williams about the offside and he just said 'Sam, there was a lot going on from both sides through that'
As for Karl T's penalty, I think that was a genuine ref blunder. He called 'not rolling away' on the tackler but on replay the timing was fine. I guess he thought the tackler had impeded the placement offering KT the chance but the tackler did seem to get away very quick.
