'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Tim said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12369850
Rob Nichol making more sense in his collaborative rather than combative approach for me. Watching NZ and Aus currently is like a poor version of US politics....handbags from 5 paces, both trying to undermine each other and one dick may come out on top, but rugby wont.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph i get that, im just saying if we're writing off next season as a stop gap...why not try and make the comp we have awesome rather than such a diluted super comp
we always hear the NPC cant be the top cop anymore...but we havent really seen a fully funded/marketed/backed NPC for a very long time, so we can know for sure and this seem like a great chance to try
I'm with ya. Have been banging that drum for weeks, or months even. And now the ABs are gone for the rest of this NPC, I'm even more for it.
Another upside with having a full-blooded NPC in lieu of a poor-mans' SR is the ability to develop players so when we go into a proper SR tournament in 2022, we're far better equipped.
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@bayimports said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Tim said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Rob Nichol making more sense in his collaborative rather than combative approach for me. Watching NZ and Aus currently is like a poor version of US politics....handbags from 5 paces, both trying to undermine each other and one dick may come out on top, but rugby wont.
Maybe its about time NZ took the lead.
Aust and SA basically f++ked super rugby by adding too many teams. If it has been left at 3 and 4 as a12 team competition I doubt it would have declined like it did. But NZ taking the lead will (obviously) upset the Aussies. But the ideal new competition would only have 8 teams. 5 from NZ and three from Aussie. With a focus on ensuring all teams have a chance of winning.
If the Aussies play silly buggers (as they are doing) then let them go it along for the main competition. As NZ should also (I prefer this to playing weak Aussie teams). With an attempt to have a separate knockout crossover competition. Hopefully including more than just Aust teams
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph i get that, im just saying if we're writing off next season as a stop gap...why not try and make the comp we have awesome rather than such a diluted super comp
we always hear the NPC cant be the top cop anymore...but we havent really seen a fully funded/marketed/backed NPC for a very long time, so we can know for sure and this seem like a great chance to try
I'm with ya. Have been banging that drum for weeks, or months even. And now the ABs are gone for the rest of this NPC, I'm even more for it.
Another upside with having a full-blooded NPC in lieu of a poor-mans' SR is the ability to develop players so when we go into a proper SR tournament in 2022, we're far better equipped.
So ignore a successful competition that NZ can afford and punt on something different? And losing so many top players is hopefully a one off
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@Tim said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12369850
“We’ve been able to demonstrate you can assemble a strong squad from outside of the New Zealand player base. They’re all back here in New Zealand, Australia and the islands. And there’s a quality coaching group.
Without seeing a list of names, I'm not convinced by Nichol's statement that that Pasifika squad will be competitive enough and strong enough to beat the 5 other teams. Who are these players? The best PI players from outside the current 5 franchises are still playing in Europe.
This is also telling:
Nichol confirmed their plan for the sixth team was a collaboration between NZRPA, Pasifika and the Counties Manukau union and had not yet had a chance to work through the detail required.
This reaction also seems a bit over the top. NZR is, after all, keen for the addition of a Pasifika team from 2022:Nichol said Thursday’s announcement had caused “unbelievable angst” among the Pasifika community. “They feel let down, they feel betrayed. I have no doubt this is going to manifest itself over the weeks ahead, unless NZ Rugby do a very quick about-turn.”
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@Winger If it's 'NZ's time to take the lead' they are doing a fucken shite job of it. Leading is about far more than making unilateral decisions without consultation.
The suggestion that it's about 'not playing weaker Australian teams' has been well and truly dismissed - given the provided alternatives actually include our weakest team.
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@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But the ideal new competition would only have 8 teams. 5 from NZ and three from Aussie. With a focus on ensuring all teams have a chance of winning.
Then we should only have 4 NZ teams, because at least one of the NZ teams is utter shit every year.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But the ideal new competition would only have 8 teams. 5 from NZ and three from Aussie. With a focus on ensuring all teams have a chance of winning.
Then we should only have 4 NZ teams, because at least one of the NZ teams is utter shit every year.
yeah but it rotates pretty regularly
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But the ideal new competition would only have 8 teams. 5 from NZ and three from Aussie. With a focus on ensuring all teams have a chance of winning.
Then we should only have 4 NZ teams, because at least one of the NZ teams is utter shit every year.
Except this year as one example. The Chiefs even managed to beat the Crusaders
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@Machpants the biggest issue you have with a stand-alone comp isn't with your weakest team - it's with your strongest. In the 25 year history of SR only one other Kiwi team has ever beaten the Crusaders in a final (the Blues, once).
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@Winger said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph i get that, im just saying if we're writing off next season as a stop gap...why not try and make the comp we have awesome rather than such a diluted super comp
we always hear the NPC cant be the top cop anymore...but we havent really seen a fully funded/marketed/backed NPC for a very long time, so we can know for sure and this seem like a great chance to try
I'm with ya. Have been banging that drum for weeks, or months even. And now the ABs are gone for the rest of this NPC, I'm even more for it.
Another upside with having a full-blooded NPC in lieu of a poor-mans' SR is the ability to develop players so when we go into a proper SR tournament in 2022, we're far better equipped.
So ignore a successful competition that NZ can afford and punt on something different? And losing so many top players is hopefully a one off
You mean the one-off iteration of SR Aotearoa after not having had any rugby for several months? You think it's going to go as well in 2021? You're dreaming. It's only advantage is the value of the broadcasting content.
We know losing players isn't a one-off. We see an exodus after every RWC, and plenty inbetween.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@taniwharugby yes. But under NZ laws you cannot deny an NZer a job because they are not qualified to play for the ABs, but NZR successfully do.
Which law is that? I'm not so sure that's true.
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The quota is two non NZ qualified players per SR team, others have to apply for dispensation. I'm not an employment laws expert, but that has got to be illegal. But they get away with it because it is not challenged. Or maybe hard too challenge. Either way, same applies for PI team. There only problem they have is foreign players will have too get working visa, not easy. So they'll mostly be PI kiwis.
Again, based on which law would that be illegal?
Definitely not the Human Rights Act, which only forbids discrimination based on sex, marital status, religious belief, ethical belief, colour, race, and ethnic or national origins. Dinstinugishing players based on which country they are eligible to represent in sport doesn't fall under any of these criteria. Not signing someone who's white, however, is.
Yeha I could be totally wrong, but say I want to employ someone and I say to NZ born/passport holder who has played for Samoa - sorry won't employ you cos you can't reperesent ABs. That is what NZR do with SR. Maybe sports have a different rule that the rest of the jobs in NZ?
Simple solution in sport is - I’m not going to select you because you’re not what we are looking for; you have ‘work ons’, you’re rubbish...etc
