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Kirwan

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

@Kirwan yeah...tablet might have been easier than my Iphone 6....

I couldn't play it on either, to be honest. Even using the controller.

Kiwiwomble

@Kirwan switch is pretty good for it...not for building, you need to be on a comp for that...i got some wins

Bovidae

I have no interest in Fortnite but someone knows their history.

Kiwiwomble

@Bovidae ....had we not all worked out the connection?

Bovidae

@Kiwiwomble I'm sure many non-Mac people or computer nerds aren't familiar with that ad.

Kiwiwomble

@Bovidae you might be right but i think its pretty widely know as one of the most iconic ads in history

nzzp

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

is it a monoploly though?

Their trouble for Apple is they only allow apps from their store. To install third party apps requires jail breaking the device and invalidating the warranty

Google allow third party apps, so don't have the same monopoly

Kiwiwomble

@nzzp i kind of see that as the digital equivalent of "no shirt, no shoes, no service"...in my store i set the rules...you can still go to a different store hardly a monopoly

Virgil

@nzzp said in Apple:

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

is it a monoploly though?

Their trouble for Apple is they only allow apps from their store. To install third party apps requires jail breaking the device and invalidating the warranty

Google allow third party apps, so don't have the same monopoly

Doesn’t that open up the risk of dodgy apps being installed? For all the over the top controls Apple has it does keep you with a clean tight device.

Virgil

.. I asked Siri via my iPhone and iwatch and she told me to say that.

Kirwan

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

@nzzp i kind of see that as the digital equivalent of "no shirt, no shoes, no service"...in my store i set the rules...you can still go to a different store hardly a monopoly

Yes, it's not a monopoly. Particularly as you have a choice of phone hardware (where andriod is easily the most popular platform) and two other stores from Google and Samsung.

Apple pays for all the infrastructure and costs associated with running the app store, so it's perfectly reasonable to charge for having you apps on it. The issue is what should that charge be?

Kirwan

@Virgil said in Apple:

@nzzp said in Apple:

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

is it a monoploly though?

Their trouble for Apple is they only allow apps from their store. To install third party apps requires jail breaking the device and invalidating the warranty

Google allow third party apps, so don't have the same monopoly

Doesn’t that open up the risk of dodgy apps being installed? For all the over the top controls Apple has it does keep you with a clean tight device.

Yes. Much harder to get malware on an Apple phone for that reason, and much easier to protect your personal information.

nzzp

@Kiwiwomble you may well, but regulators may not like it much.

Not judging the outcome, as I don't use Apple products by choice, but they are pretty close to the line

This from June:

Casey Newton / Jun 17, 2020 / interface

How Apple is making the antitrust case against it stronger

Rules applies inconsistently, competitors dismissed, and Congressional invitations ignored

Kiwiwomble

@nzzp i think you've just shot down your own argument

you dont use Apple by choice, monopoly regulations are about giving people choice, when there are only two airlines and they want to merge...that creates a monopoly...

Kirwan

@nzzp Completely agree that Apple does some sketchy things that are anti-competitive on store. They also don't treat developers consistently either

nzzp

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

@nzzp i think you've just shot down your own argument

you dont use Apple by choice, monopoly regulations are about giving people choice, when there are only two airlines and they want to merge...that creates a monopoly...

not really. Note it's antitrust, not monopoly. I skimmed over the article - their argument was that Apple fees (at 30%) were very high, and didn't have competition.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I can see why regulators are interested. They make money hand over fist (which is good for them), but don't tolerate dissent. I suppose it's kind of like facebook - you have the choice to use it (I don't), and they have the right to control what goes on there... until they get to some size where the regulators get interested as they have so much influence.

Nepia

Most of the people I know over 30 have iPhones and don't play Fortnite so will it have that much of an effect on Apple's bottom line? TBH, the youngins I know who have Android don't play Fortnite either (they're mostly girls).

I see Google have banned Epic games from their store as well. Were their fees also high as well?