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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    #165

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="sparky" data-cid="560641" data-time="1456352804">
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    <p>I have heard of five or six English and French clubs willing to offer Beauden Barrett massive money.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>so whats changed?</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Euro clubs have always been keen to throw good money at quality SH players.</p>

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  • Billy TellB Offline
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    #166

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="560642" data-time="1456352993"><p>
    so whats changed?<br><br>
    Euro clubs have always been keen to throw good money at quality SH players.</p></blockquote>
    <br>
    Good has become stupendous. <br><br>
    Players will be loyal to a certain point. Once your salary is going to triple...

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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    #167

    <p>I'd say it is all probably relative...as AB salaries have increased, so have the off shore offers.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>These guys earn great coin in NZ, but can earn a truck load more off shore, again, hasn't really changed!</p>

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  • sparkyS Offline
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    #168

    <p>What's changed?</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>The amount of money on offer. Carter was Rugby's first £1 million a year player. Beauden Barrett is being offered close to double that.</p>

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  • raznomoreR Offline
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    #169

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="sparky" data-cid="560663" data-time="1456357267"><p>What's changed?<br><br>
    The amount of money on offer. Carter was Rugby's first £1 million a year player. Beauden Barrett is being offered close to double that.</p></blockquote>
    Maybe lead with that next time....<br><br>
    What about Cruden. Only play 32 tests.<br><br>
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    #170

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Razbra" data-cid="560755" data-time="1456381673">
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    <p>Maybe lead with that next time....<br><br>
    What about Cruden. Only play 32 tests.<br><br>
    Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>Still got two more years on his contract.</p>

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  • raznomoreR Offline
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    #171

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="560759" data-time="1456382305"><p>Still got two more years on his contract.</p></blockquote>
    Out clause?<br><br>
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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    #172

    <p>Didnt Cruden point to the Lions as a reaosn for not looking at the 7s and Rio?</p>

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    #173

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="560775" data-time="1456384581">
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    <p>Didnt Cruden point to the Lions as a reaosn for not looking at the 7s and Rio?</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>I don't remember Cruden ever being in the 7s frame; Barrett and B Smith used that reason though.</p>

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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    #174

    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/67683944/All-Blacks-star-Aaron-Cruden-turns-down-chance-to-make-Olympic-sevens-squad'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/67683944/All-Blacks-star-Aaron-Cruden-turns-down-chance-to-make-Olympic-sevens-squad</a></p>
    <p> </p>
    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">
    <p> </p>
    <p><span style="color:#fff0f5;"><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(16,16,16);">"Gordon asked if I was interested and I'm extremely flattered, but I think for me at this stage, not only the rugby side of it but in terms of things away from rugby as well, it probably just isn't the right time," Cruden told Radio Sport.</span></span></p>
    <p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background-color:rgb(16,16,16);"><span style="color:#fff0f5;">"I have aspirations of playing against the Lions in 2017, and maybe taking a year off wouldn't do ... my chances any good."</span></p>
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  • Billy TellB Offline
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    #175

    Cruden would be much less in demand than Barrett in Europe. A specialist 10 with a short kicking range hitting about 70% accuracy compared to a guy who can win matches in the last 20 with his speed etc and covers 10 and 15. Ok not such a great goal kicker either.

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    #176

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="560805" data-time="1456402492">
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    <p>Cruden would be much less in demand than Barrett in Europe. A specialist 10 with a short kicking range hitting about 70% accuracy compared to a guy who can win matches in the last 20 with his speed etc and covers 10 and 15. Ok not such a great goal kicker either.</p>
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    <p>Well that is bonkers if it is truly the case, and I'm not sure it actually is. </p>

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  • Billy TellB Offline
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    #177

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="560856" data-time="1456439957">
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    <p>Well that is bonkers if it is truly the case, and I'm not sure it actually is. </p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>I really do think it is the case.  Barrett is a genuine star in Europe.  The number of high profile games where he has scored important tries in the last 20 minutes, not least the RWC final.  Maybe some of our non-Kiwi people can comment: your club has free choice of Barrett or Cruden, who would you choose and who do you think most of your fans would choose?</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>From knowing a fair number of Irish folk, it would definitely be Barrett.</p>

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    #178

    <p>I'd want a 1st 5 who has demonstrated he can lead his team around the park and win titles. </p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Barrett's impact would be similar to Evans at a UK club.</p>

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  • Billy TellB Offline
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    #179

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bovidae" data-cid="560871" data-time="1456443360">
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    <p>I'd want a 1st 5 who has demonstrated he can lead his team around the park and win titles. </p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Barrett's impact would be similar to Evans at a UK club.</p>
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    <p>Sounds like it's Cruden for you.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Evans has become a complete legend at Quins is my understanding, not that I follow English club rugby very closely.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>FWIW, I think Cruden <strong>IS</strong> the better 1st five.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>But I think European clubs would pay more for the Barrett package, he's more marketable off the field too I would imagine.</p>

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    #180

    <p>I regularly visit French rugby forums. They absolutely adore Barrett and hardly ever mention Cruden.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Barrett is seen as a fast and strong match winner; Cruden as a good 1st five who's often injured.</p>

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  • Billy TellB Offline
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    #181

    <p>Totally off-topic and a bit left field, but I remember when BB first hit the scene.  I kept waiting for the commentator to say his first name.  Joe Beauden-Barrett for example.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Finally the penny dropped...</p>

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    #182

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bovidae" data-cid="560871" data-time="1456443360"><p>I'd want a 1st 5 who has demonstrated he can lead his team around the park and win titles. <br><br>
    Barrett's impact would be similar to Evans at a UK club.</p></blockquote>
    That's pro Barrett then right? Evans is a legend in Euro rugby.

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  • M Offline
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    #183

    <p>Cruden was the primary 10 during the unbeaten AB run, not to mention during B2B super titles. Not a highlights reel player though, well not as much as Beauden or DC anyway, and is therefore underrated by a lot of people.</p>

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  • TimT Away
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    #184

    Cruden is the best 10 in the competition. He was sharp as a pencil last week against the Blues. Brilliant after an ACL injury. <br><br>
    He ain't gonna stop the Blues juggernaut though. 🙂

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