Andy Haden
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My Dad met him on the Cavaliers tour in SA
Said he was a gent.
My old man was out there on a Male Voice Choir Tour singing to White Only Audiences, Black Only Audiences, and Mixed Audiences. Was on the UN Blacklist (how ironic is that) for years.
Called themselves the Jones Boys Choir to mitigate the backlash.
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@raznomore said in Andy Haden:
RIP Andy Haden. Often loathed abroad for "that" lineout and loathed domestically as part of an Auckland team everyone loved to hate. But absolutely a giant of the game and a forward-thinking mover and shaker off it.
Actually, at the time the most loathed person seemed to be Quittenton the ref that gave the penalty. There are many reasons to loathe Quittenton but that really shouldn't have been one of them.
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When I think of Him, I get an image of him and frank Oliver Locking together ,
Not sure how many they played together , but that’s how I remember them both watching during my early years of high school,
Good player , interesting character,
RIP
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@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@raznomore said in Andy Haden:
RIP Andy Haden. Often loathed abroad for "that" lineout and loathed domestically as part of an Auckland team everyone loved to hate. But absolutely a giant of the game and a forward-thinking mover and shaker off it.
Actually, at the time the most loathed person seemed to be Quittenton the ref that gave the penalty. There are many reasons to loathe Quittenton but that really shouldn't have been one of them.
The shorts?
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@booboo Primary reason. Backed up by an overly authoritarian refereeing style and an arrogant demeanour. Also just not a very good ref.
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@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo Primary reason. Backed up by an overly authoritarian refereeing style and an arrogant demeanour. Also just not a very good ref.
Got that call right though
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Really sad to read this.
Along with Frank Oliver, one of my favourite players of that era.
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Back in the eighties I was coaching a team of 14 year olds at the Kelston division of the Ponsonby club. One week we were invited to the city clubs indoor training 'Tan' were we were told a couple of the senior team would train with the boys. The senior players who ran our training that night were Beegee Williams, Maurice Trapp and Andy Haden. Trapp was brilliant making technicalities and set piece seem exciting to the boys (mostly PI boys who would rather wait in the backs for a run than scrum and ruck) and Andy taught them a few dark arts like how to encourage a player to let the ball go in a maul using elbows to the ribs and showed the props how to subtly stand on the oppositions locks foot to disrupt his jump. They turned our forward pack into a machine that night and we went on to win the comp. Andy made a point of watching us play a couple of times after that and was always approachable, supportive and made time to talk to the boys. A giant figure in the history of our club in many ways. Intelligent, demanding of standards and ruthless on the field.
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@booboo said in Andy Haden:
@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo Primary reason. Backed up by an overly authoritarian refereeing style and an arrogant demeanour. Also just not a very good ref.
Got that call right though
But did he? He maintained at the time he penalised another incident.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in Andy Haden:
Back in the eighties I was coaching a team of 14 year olds at the Kelston division of the Ponsonby club. One week we were invited to the city clubs indoor training 'Tan' were we were told a couple of the senior team would train with the boys. The senior players who ran our training that night were Beegee Williams, Maurice Trapp and Andy Haden. Trapp was brilliant making technicalities and set piece seem exciting to the boys (mostly PI boys who would rather wait in the backs for a run than scrum and ruck) and Andy taught them a few dark arts like how to encourage a player to let the ball go in a maul using elbows to the ribs and showed the props how to subtly stand on the oppositions locks foot to disrupt his jump. They turned our forward pack into a machine that night and we went on to win the comp. Andy made a point of watching us play a coupe of times after that and was always approachable, supportive and made time to talk to the boys. A giant figure in the history of our club in many ways. Intelligent, demanding of standards and ruthless on the field.
At one point Ponies could field Haden and Pole. Not many international teams could deal with that lineout!
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@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo said in Andy Haden:
@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo Primary reason. Backed up by an overly authoritarian refereeing style and an arrogant demeanour. Also just not a very good ref.
Got that call right though
But did he? He maintained at the time he penalised another incident.
As I say. Made the right call: Geoff Wheel jumping off Frank Oliver's shoulder. Right call.
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@booboo said in Andy Haden:
@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo said in Andy Haden:
@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo Primary reason. Backed up by an overly authoritarian refereeing style and an arrogant demeanour. Also just not a very good ref.
Got that call right though
But did he? He maintained at the time he penalised another incident.
As I say. Made the right call: Geoff Wheel jumping off Frank Oliver's shoulder. Right call.
Yep. Funny how they keep going on about Haden. He wasn't even involved.
Met him many times when I was a kid, he seemed huge, both physically and in demeanour. RIP Andy.
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@booboo said in Andy Haden:
@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo said in Andy Haden:
@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@booboo Primary reason. Backed up by an overly authoritarian refereeing style and an arrogant demeanour. Also just not a very good ref.
Got that call right though
But did he? He maintained at the time he penalised another incident.
As I say. Made the right call: Geoff Wheel jumping off Frank Oliver's shoulder. Right call.
Not in Wales he didn’t. Just ask. 😤
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I think Haden was the first " back seat of the bus" All Black that I became aware of.
In the 70s and 80s the ABs actually changed personnel quite a bit, or maybe the dearth of tests created that impression, yet Haden seemed to have his name inked in. Perhaps it was that the forward selection contention always revolved around who would partner Haden.He always was the cornerstone of our lineout and the tight forwards. Oliver, Higginson and Whetton(?) came and went but not Haden. (can anyone remember his other locking partners?)
Just so dependable and important to our team in an era when forward play dominated games and tactics.
He was portrayed in the media as quite controversial and cottoned on that to receive money for his book about rugby, amateur status of rugby players was religiously upheld in those days, he stated his occupation as an author. This drama played out in frontpage headlines and first tv news story for seemingly months. Immediately after that he was embroiled in more front-page stories because of a " sponsorship " with Laser boots.
He was the subject of much idle daily conversation between blokes for ages during this time. Courts and Rugby Union meetings dominated the media.
Then he managed Rachel Hunter and immediately became a dead set, immortal legend!
A forerunner for a rugby player earning a quid from the game.
RIP the source of our lineout pill for a decade.
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@Siam There was a story that his passport had "Rugby player" as his occupation. Dunno if it was true. Great player and one I always looked forward to being unavailable when England played NZ.
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@Catogrande said in Andy Haden:
@Siam There was a story that his passport had "Rugby player" as his occupation. Dunno if it was true. Great player and one I always looked forward to being unavailable when England played NZ.
Think the amateur-days NZRFU used to get a bit pissed off with him as he was paid for writing about rugby. He simply told them he was a journalist by profession and used to wind-up the NZRFU a fair bit IIRC.
