'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble Ya.
I guess my point is basically just that you don't need every team in the comp to be capable of winning it for it to be a succesful comp. We will usually have at least one team capable of competing for the title and that should be enough.
Fans want good quality and you're correct in saying not every team needs to be a shot for the title, but it doesn't help when teams consistently under perform. When that happens the question is what can be done to address it? NSW has only won one SR title and that with the benefit of a dodgy decision at the death. Quite frankly I'm surprised people still attend. At least in Canberra the Brumbies won more often than not, but even then the crowds have disappeared. I mean quite apart from the stadia issues, who wants to freeze watching penalty, kick for lineout, maul as a game plan? Apparently not even public servants.
I'd be thrilled if SR TT had five teams each and from one season to the next it was impossible to guess who'd be in the semi-finals. Australian fans I speak to just don't want to see Australian teams consistently losing to NZ ones.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Australian fans I speak to just don't want to see Australian teams consistently losing to NZ ones.
that's a TT comp done then
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@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Twiggy didn't start even thinking about pumping considerable investment into anything until it was clear the Force were out on their arse. If he's such a good rugby man, where the fuck was he when the Force were struggling for a decade?
Fucking. Nowhere.
It is a win-win for him - buy a broken machine, put some new paint on it, and suddenly you're a hero with a purported $50M to spend on rugby.Helping before hand wouldn't give him the press he so richly deserves. Just ask him.
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@antipodean i think the only people that demand top quality football are the teams already winning, when you're loosing a win is the first concern, even if it a lineout drive
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@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Nepia said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Nepia said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I forgot my final point, being that no succesful comp in the world is perfectly balanced. To the contrary - the most valuable and succesful leagues are all pretty one sided with only a small percentage of the competing teams a realistic chance of winning the title. EPl, NFL, NRL, AFl, Bundesliga, NBL - they all have plenty of whipping boys.
i mean...thats not completely true, bth the NRL and AFL have had 7 different permiers in the last decade and the NFL have had nine....hardly a monopolies
I don't think he said monopolies did he? My reading of it makes perfect sense. There's always whipping boys, doesn't necessarily mean it's the same team every year.
Then what was the point of him even posting that? Because every comp in every year will have its share of whipping boys. It's a non point.
I think I'm the best person to ask that, good on you.
Well, you rode in with your shield up and lance out so you got the question directed at you.
Christ I thought you were better than that mate. Yeah I was riding in with a shield and Lance by mildly saying it made sense to me. Good one.
I was just pointing out it didn't make sense to me ... not sure why you took it as a shitfight start?
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the other key to the success of any proposed venture is to fuck the All Black coaches off. If the NZRU don't care about the outcome of the comp, why should fans? Best players play when they are fit. No enforced stand downs and limited fucking minutes.
Sabbaticals can piss off too
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean i think the only people that demand top quality football are the teams already winning, when you're loosing a win is the first concern, even if it a lineout drive
They have to entertain - that's the business they're in. The Tahs went for low risk rugby trying not to lose and the crowds deserted them. Who would travel to Moore Park to watch that dirge? Apparently no one.
At least when the Reds were winning, they were entertaining. Brisbane loved that. Entertaining and losing not so much.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But if it's anything less than a 10 team even split it becomes such a bad outcome for Aussie rugby that it's almost preferable to gamble on something new.
Australia has painted itself into a small-minded corner piled with raw sewage.
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In the short term, a Trans- Ta$man competition is better financially for both RA and the NZRU.
NZRU can be as pure as they like but Australia has more eyeballs, more corporate dollars and is importantly on a much better timezone for the NH market. I've heard anecdotally that the audience in the UK for SuperAU has been around 50k, while Super NZ is struggling to get to 10k. It's purely because Australian rugby is at a more watchable hour.
And for RA there's no doubt NZ brings a better on-field product which will allow a better deal with broadcasters.
So while the exact comp structure might be up for debate, I'd think both unions see the benefit in the TT model.
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@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But if it's anything less than a 10 team even split it becomes such a bad outcome for Aussie rugby that it's almost preferable to gamble on something new.
Australia has painted itself into a small-minded corner piled with raw sewage.
Not sure how cutting a team will help with that.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
But if it's anything less than a 10 team even split it becomes such a bad outcome for Aussie rugby that it's almost preferable to gamble on something new.
Australia has painted itself into a small-minded corner piled with raw sewage.
Not sure how cutting a team will help with that.
You don't have to ration the glitter as much?
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I've heard anecdotally that the audience in the UK for SuperAU has been around 50k, while Super NZ is struggling to get to 10k
Australia has more eyeballs, more corporate dollarss
Lol, I have a load of mates in the UK, not one has expressed the desire to watch SRAu water the first weekend, the all religiously watch SRA, recorded or live. Anecdotally, with numbers?
Secondly Oz has more of that yes, but none of them are interested in rugby, unlike NZ
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NZ Rugby wants new professional comp from 2021 with 8-10 teams involved.
Hope for five Kiwi teams, a Pasifika team and “working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition.”
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
NZ Rugby wants new professional comp from 2021 with 8-10 teams involved.
Hope for five Kiwi teams, a Pasifika team and “working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition.”
So 4 Aussie teams, 5 kiwi teams and one team that will be executed on the field every single weekend
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@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
NZ Rugby wants new professional comp from 2021 with 8-10 teams involved.
Hope for five Kiwi teams, a Pasifika team and “working with Rugby Australia to seek expressions of interest from their current Super clubs and other interested parties to join the competition.”
So 4 Aussie teams, 5 kiwi teams and one team that will be executed on the field every single weekend
i assumed the rebels were included int he 4 aussie teams......
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Very ambiguous.
There needs to be an even number of teams to avoid byes.
More info:
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