Stadium of Canterbury
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
this, seems like a weird strawman augment to accelerate building a new stadium "wont someone think of the tourisim!"
most people from anywhere outside Aussie will only come to NZ once, maybe twice if they do north once and south the other....if theyve already been and seen the "shitbox" as you call it (an awesome feat of engineering being design and built in like 6 months for me)...there was probably little chance of them coming back even if coming to see a stadium was the reason the travelled
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
you may do that but you cant think thats the norm for everyone, and we're talking chch, world renowned buildings of significance were never on the cards other than some of the clever emerancy works done after the earthquake...like the shit box you hate so much
chch is the gateway to the south island, thats its main draw card, people expecting Wembley or the Camp Nou have delusions of grandeur
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
To have a significant or even remotely countable impact? Not in the slightest. I too travel to a city to see a nice stadium but I don't detour because there isn't one. That would be ridiculous and people simply don't travel like that.
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Meanwhile, you can continue arguing and bitching about every likely idea and continue playing in your temporary shithole stadium AND get no big games.
At some point you need to bite the bullet and take what is on offer (if you want an improvement).
Or, like Tauranga you can be a bunch of whingers in a populous area that never end up with anything. -
If Chch had games at FIFA 2023 - I would imagine the commentary and footage would in part focus on the new fully enclosed stadium opening up shortly (as of 2023) as well as some of the history of the current stadium (built in 100 days post Quake etc).
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I would probably be more likely to go to Christchurch to see a game in a new roofed stadium than in a stadium which looked cooler. I like stadium architecture but it doesn't always equal a good atmosphere. Carisbrook looked really cool too but most people prefer Forsyth Barr.
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@hydro11 said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I would probably be more likely to go to Christchurch to see a game in a new roofed stadium than in a stadium which looked cooler. I like stadium architecture but it doesn't always equal a good atmosphere. Carisbrook looked really cool too but most people prefer Forsyth Barr.
...i liked what you were saying...and the brook will always have a special place in my heart, have a handfull of gravel from the old terrace and a card we were given on the last game...but WTF? ive never heard it referred to as looking cool
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There is no doubt whatsoever that an impression of a city can be formed by the images we see of it, with a heavy bias towards architecture.
Who doesn't have the impression that Detroit would be a run down, industrial eyesore? And yet we're exposed to Detroit through several sports and various other avenues. It's probably a cool city, but who's taking that chance??
Christchurch's global shop window could be this WC. People may be vaguely aware of an earthquake, and/or a mass shooting. Then they see Chch on TV again in 2023 and it's a weary old 'temporary' stadium, bereft of positive features - aside from the speed with which it was constructed - which in actual fact has been in use by that stage for 11 years.
This is a horrible look for a recovering city and can only turn prospective visitors off.
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
To have a significant or even remotely countable impact? Not in the slightest. I too travel to a city to see a nice stadium but I don't detour because there isn't one. That would be ridiculous and people simply don't travel like that.
It's not about detouring because there isn't a great stadium. It's about the impression a bad one creates and it's ability to put off people who - if the focus were on other features of the region - would otherwise visit.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
this, seems like a weird strawman augment to accelerate building a new stadium "wont someone think of the tourisim!"
most people from anywhere outside Aussie will only come to NZ once, maybe twice if they do north once and south the other....if theyve already been and seen the "shitbox" as you call it (an awesome feat of engineering being design and built in like 6 months for me)...there was probably little chance of them coming back even if coming to see a stadium was the reason the travelled
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
you may do that but you cant think thats the norm for everyone, and we're talking chch, world renowned buildings of significance were never on the cards other than some of the clever emerancy works done after the earthquake...like the shit box you hate so much
chch is the gateway to the south island, thats its main draw card, people expecting Wembley or the Camp Nou have delusions of grandeur
You're kidding, right?? The entire argument for the MUA which is going to be built is tourism! It's about Ed Sheeran concerts. The fact that it creates a dry sporting arena is secondary. If you're not abreast of that then you have no place in this debate.
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Let me make my position very clear.
It's bad enough that a really poor, short-sighted and somewhat knee-jerk decision has been made around the type of stadium we're going to get.
Now we face the prospect of bad press and negative impressions of Chch being formed because of the unkempt, uncomfortable and primitive scaffold stand temporary stadium that may be used for a FIFA tournament, and images of said stadium being beamed to potentially a billion people.
If I had the ultimate choice I'd be fast-tracking the larger, better-equipped open arena I believe we need and can afford to build for $473m. My second choice - purely for the sake of Christchurch's image globally - would be fast tracking the MUA I'm so greatly disappointed by. However neither is an option for 2023, and I feel more harm than good could be done by using Orange Theory Stadium on a global stage.
If you want an example of the bad press a bad stadium experience can create, google up some of the stories from the 2017 Lions tour re Rotorua.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
If you want an example of the bad press a bad stadium experience can create, google up some of the stories from the 2017 Lions tour re Rotorua.
Isn't there a better example? I can't recall any of that, so hardly seems like it created any impression let alone a lasting one. Reckon Rotorua has suffered as a result?
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@Bones said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
If you want an example of the bad press a bad stadium experience can create, google up some of the stories from the 2017 Lions tour re Rotorua.
Isn't there a better example? I can't recall any of that, so hardly seems like it created any impression let alone a lasting one. Reckon Rotorua has suffered as a result?
The travelling fans complained bitterly about the lack of facilities. It made headlines in the UK.
Reckon any of those chaps will be racing back to Rotorua?
That's slightly off topic but is an example.
But I'm more worried about the pictures of a decrepit temporary stadium going around the world.
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@mofitzy_ said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Positives outweigh the negatives for the city. Besides, I assume the games played in CHCH will be lower tier nations who won't get as much viewership.
But it's a shame the stadium has taken so long.
What are the positives? Minnow teams and minimal travelling fans?
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Can all you lot who keep banging on about how the roofed MUA is the best option for Chch, please justify the economics in the face of the facts that the budget has shrunk twice, the design has already been downscaled and this council has a recent history of shrinking bold projects (QE2 pool, Metro Sports)?
It's all well and good to sit there and prattle on about how much more comfortable an indoor arena is and remain blissfully ignorant of the facts of the situation.
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@shark I think you're overdoing the whole FIFA thing but I agree with you about the roof.
How many concerts do they think they will get anyway?
Given the choice my priorities for a stadium would be
1 A rectangle - fuck all this multi sport shit
2 Correctly aligned vis a vis prevailing winds
3 Great Viewing lines from every seat.
4 Steep stands see 2 above but also for atmosphere
5 65% of spectators stay dry
6 Good amentities for spectators
7 Good links to public transport
8 Covered stadium
9 Pretty design
