How are cyclists cheating now?
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<p>the secret pro is blog I highly recommend. Written by a member of the pro peloton, not afraid to tell it like it is.</p>
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<p>He is not as convinced as Willie the Waiter about Cancellara</p> -
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<p>the secret pro is blog I highly recommend. Written by a member of the pro peloton</p>
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<p>Allegedly.</p>
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<p>Of course the one thing people seem to be forgetting is electronic engines have a noise signature. Without sound deadening the whine would be noticeable.</p> -
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<p>Of course it's allegedly<br><br>
Have you watched the numerous videos on you tube? They are completely silent</p>
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<p>Saying it's written by someone instantly affords it a level of credibility. If the person is anonymous, that credibility disappears.</p>
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<p>I don't know which videos you've watched, but even brushless motors make noise, it's just masked by the machine run by the motor.</p> -
<p>If you followed his blog in any detail I don't think you'd question his credibilty. There's nobody else writing from within the pelaton like he does,. and a few pros have come out in support of some of his previous posts.</p>
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<p>Anyway Greg Lemond (who has bucketloads of credibilty) has done several interviews lately on the subject. Including whilst recently visiting New Zealand. In every one of those interviews he refers to the motors he has tested being silent. </p> -
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<p>If you followed his blog in any detail I don't think you'd question his credibilty. There's nobody else writing from within the pelaton like he does,. and a few pros have come out in support of some of his previous posts.</p>
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<p>Anyway Greg Lemond (who has bucketloads of credibilty) has done several interviews lately on the subject. Including whilst recently visiting New Zealand. In every one of those interviews he refers to the motors he has tested being silent. </p>
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<p>In this video you can clearly hear it.</p>
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<p>That video accompanied an article at <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://cyclingtips.com/2015/07/hidden-motor-demonstration-with-greg-lemond/'>http://cyclingtips.com/2015/07/hidden-motor-demonstration-with-greg-lemond/</a></p>
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<p>in the article Lemond says this</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(34,39,39);font-family:Merriweather, Georgia, serif;font-size:16px;"><strong>“This is the production model but higher cost versions are available. The very expensive ones have ceramic gears and are silent. I rode one before and it was very quiet.â€</strong></p>
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<p><strong><span style="color:rgb(34,39,39);font-family:Merriweather, Georgia, serif;font-size:16px;">“I believe it has been used in top level races,†he said. “I haven’t seen anything unusual in this year’s Tour, but it is something that I have tried to talk to the UCI about for them to take it seriously. I think they should, but they are not.</span></strong></p> -
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<p>Also, not sure if you've ever heard a pro pelaton ride past? but the noise is huge, like a freight train.</p>
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<p>So any small amount of noise is easily masked in that environment</p>
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<p>As I've said in other threads, cyclists cheat.</p>
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<p>They have done so since the early 1900's and most likely before that.</p>
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<p>If they are willing to cheat in so many other ways......... Then why is a hidden motor so preposterous to guys on here, yet seasoned pro's like Lemond and Mario Cipplolini have make reference to it being a problem?</p> -
<p>You'd think if Lemond was going to make a point, he'd show one that was silent. The sort of silent that as people ride off into the sunset leaving the peloton behind them you'd not hear...</p>
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<p>You'd think if Lemond was going to make a point, he'd show one that was silent. The sort of silent that as people ride off into the sunset leaving the peloton behind them you'd not hear...</p>
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<p>read the article, he explains why he used that bike.</p>
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<p>You're being too simplistic anyway... It doesn't have to be used that way. It could be used within the peloton to save energy for a sprint later on. Saving 100watts as the article suggests can be done, could be used in this way. Before a quick bike change on the road to legal bike to ride away and finish the stage. (ala Contador with his multiple bike changes on one stage last year)</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="559463" data-time="1455842853"><p>As I've said in other threads, cyclists cheat.<br> <br>They have done so since the early 1900's and most likely before that.<br> <br>If they are willing to cheat in so many other ways......... Then why is a hidden motor so preposterous to guys on here, yet seasoned pro's like Lemond and Mario Cipplolini have make reference to it being a problem?</p></blockquote> <br>Of course Cipo is going to claim everyone else is cheating.<br> <br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="559466" data-time="1455843154"><p>read the article, he explains why he used that bike.</p></blockquote>All I can find is 'He had the machine made to illustrate his concerns about the availability and potential of the technology.'<br> <br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>You're being too simplistic anyway... It doesn't have to be used that way. It could be used within the peloton to save energy for a sprint later on. Saving 100watts as the article suggests can be done, could be used in this way. Before a quick bike change on the road to legal bike to ride away and finish the stage. (ala Contador with his multiple bike changes on one stage last year)</p></blockquote> <br>True it's entirely possible, but there are better reasons to swap bikes. Unless UCI are playing silly buggers again, they've been inspecting for motors for some time now and despite the hills in the Giro, they didn't find a mechanically assisted bike there.<br><br>Perhaps an engine does explain why classics riders are now managing to tempo ride up mountains with the best climbers in the world...
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Perhaps an engine does explain why classics riders are now managing to tempo ride up mountains with the best climbers in the world...</p>
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<p>Ala big George Hincapie beating all the little colombians up the hill towing Armstrong. Or Gerrant Thomas doing it for froome?</p>
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<p>More has emerged over the weekend regarding the issue of mechanical doping. A french TV programme has made some claims about recent high profile races</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mechanical-doping-used-in-strade-bianche-and-coppi-e-bartali-claims-investigation/?utm_content=buffer02b68&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer'>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mechanical-doping-used-in-strade-bianche-and-coppi-e-bartali-claims-investigation/?utm_content=buffer02b68&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer</a></p>
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<p>If you can speak french, the programme is here in 2 x 15 min sections.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://cyclinghub.tv/'>http://cyclinghub.tv/</a></p>
