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    @Bovidae said in North vs South:

    @pukunui said in North vs South:

    @Bovidae said in North vs South:

    I picked my teams (based on school) months ago and I'm sticking to them. I just need to track down Foster.

    Have you got a link to those school based teams?
    Im interested to see how the distribution of players would change based on schools.

    Here's what I selected during the lockdown period (based on every player being available). Obviously there would now be a few changes through injury and unavailability.

    OK, a blast from the past - North Island vs South Island.
    
    The qualifier is which school you went to (some went to more than one school), not where you were born or the province you now play for. All players fit and available for selection
    
    NORTH ISLAND
    1 Tu'ungafasi
    2 Taylor
    3 Laulala
    4 S Barrett
    5 Whitelock
    6 Jacobson
    7 Cane
    8 Savea
    9 Smith
    10 B Barrett
    11 Ioane
    12 Laumape
    13 Goodhue
    14 Reece
    15 J Barrett
    
    16 Coles
    17 Tu'inukuafe
    18 Ta'avao
    19 Tuipulotu
    20 Papalii
    21 Perenara
    22 Black
    23 Bridge
    
    SOUTH ISLAND
    1 Moody
    2 Dixon
    3 Moli
    4 Dunshea
    5 Retallick
    6 Grace
    7 Lentjes
    8 Blackadder
    9 Drummond
    10 Mo'unga
    11 Alaimalo
    12 Havili
    13 A Lienert-Brown
    14 Jordan
    15 McKenzie
    
    16 McAlister
    17 D Lienert-Brown
    18 Tokolahi
    19 Romano
    20 Harmon
    21 Grooby? 
    22 Nankivell
    23 L Fainga'anuku
    

    Thanks. I can see now why they have gone with Provinces. Just not enough depth in the South island schools team to make the game competitive.

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  • ACT CrusaderA Do not disturb
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    @pukunui said in North vs South:

    @Hooroo said in North vs South:

    @Snowy said in North vs South:

    @Hooroo said in North vs South:

    @Crucial said in North vs South:

    It doesn’t really matter anyway, this is just a way of doing a “trial” game and fitting in most of the players.

    Far out! I reckon!!! Way for everyone to get all twisted about how it is being put together.

    You don't think the North Island versing South Island rivalry will be bought up on here at all ? It is the point of the whole thing to add some tension / adversarial contest to a "trial" as a team sport.

    With one team actually winning, there will be those that rub it in if the North lose (as an example) all part of the fun, but there can't be any excuses like "half your players were ours anyway".

    In my mind this is just a random trial given a silly name. Call it what you want, it's just a trial and it won't become a fixture.

    Nah maaate, this is oorriggiiinnnnnn!
    Can we get Phil Gould over to do the pre game speech about passion and mateship etc?

    Thankfully NZ’s borders are closed...

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    What was the criteria for that North v South game in 2012? I seem to recall the same hoohah back then. Robbie Robinson playing for North was the subject of a bit of debate.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in North vs South:

    What was the criteria for that North v South game in 2012? I seem to recall the same hoohah back then. Robbie Robinson playing for North was the subject of a bit of debate.

    Super Rugby Team

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    @ACT-Crusader https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=10809509

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    i mean...im not too fussed, at least with possibles v probables you can argue they're playing for a black jersey...this really is just for fun

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    @Snowy North vs South does have history and was an important fixture back in the day - as were trials.
    but the criteria for selection has always been confusing and controversial. Kirkpatrick even captained both islands albeit 3 years apart.

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    @dogmeat said in North vs South:

    @Snowy North vs South does have history and was an important fixture back in the day - as were trials.
    but the criteria for selection has always been confusing and controversial. Kirkpatrick even captained both islands albeit 3 years apart.

    For sure, that is why I bought it up.

    I still believe the south have a handling advantage after my father told me they all have 6 fingers on each hand. Maybe that should be the defining criteria?

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    @dogmeat As you will know, players moved a lot for work/study during that era so played for multiple provinces as well. Whineray played for 6 different unions, and therefore both the NI and SI.

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    @dogmeat said in North vs South:

    @Snowy North vs South does have history and was an important fixture back in the day - as were trials.
    but the criteria for selection has always been confusing and controversial. Kirkpatrick even captained both islands albeit 3 years apart.

    I just assumed in the old days it was just where you were currently playing. The 'origin' aspect is only a modern thing?

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Origin is a RL thing, and even then they don't use which state you were born in as the criteria.

    35 players have played for both the NI and SI, including Birtwistle, Greg Cooper, Kirk, Kirkpatrick, Frank Oliver, Pokere, Tremain and Whineray.

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    Just announced on the Breakdown:

    Johm Plumtree and Scot McLeod will coach North, and
    Greg Feek and Brad Mooar will coach South.

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    Stuff
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  • YeetyaahY Offline
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    #92

    The real question is when do the tickets go on sale, I'm not missing this.

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    @Yeetyaah said in North vs South:

    The real question is when do the tickets go on sale, I'm not missing this.

    Me too, a night out in AKL will be good for the soul, bad for the wallet and waistline 🙂

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Marc Hinton with his teams.

    NORTH ISLAND: Damian McKenzie, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith; Hoskins Sotutu, Sam Cane ((capt), Ardie Savea, Josh Goodhue, Patrick Tuipoulotu, Ofa Tu’ungafasi, Dane Coles, Karl Tu’inukuafe. Reserves: Asafo Aumua, Aidan Ross, Angus Ta’avao, Tom Robinson, Dalton Papalii, TJ Perenara, Ngani Laumape, Mark Telea.
    
    SOUTH ISLAND: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Jack Goodhue, Braydon Ennor, George Bridge, Richie Mo’unga, Brad Weber; Shannon Frizell, Dillon Hunt, Cullen Grace, Mitchell Dunshea, Sam Whitelock (capt), Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, Joe Moody. Reserves: Liam Coltman, Ayden Johnstone, Tyrel Lomax, Gareth Evans, Tom Christie, Mitch Drummond, David Havili, Leicester Fainga'anuku.
    

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300046553/beauden-barrett-rieko-ioane-main-selection-dilemmas-for-revamped-northsouth-clash

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    I don't agree with all his selections and Ayden Johnstone is a North Islander. Hodgman more likely.

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    This may be due to the eligibility criteria and the limitation of squad sizes, but the main problem I have with Hinton's selection is the absence of Marino Mikaele-Tu'u from the North squad.

    I also don't agree with all of Hinton's other selections.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    @Stargazer Yeah, his name was one of the glaring omissions. Jacobson could be back from his fractured hand injury by late August so will also come into consideration. The AB coaches will want as many of their preferred players involved even if not all of them are part of the 23-man match-day squad.

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  • KiwiMurphK Online
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    I don't think it's worth analysing the teams too much - it's just potential teams for readers to get a sense of how the teams line up - we are not even halfway through SRA yet.

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