NRL 2020
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RTS might just be one of those guys that never gets the titles that he deserves, in terms of championships, but still one of the best to ever play.
whoa whoa whoa hold on
There is a decent argument to make that he is only the 3rd best fullback in the comp right now.
He's really really fucking good, but perhaps made to look better by being the best player at his club by the length of the Flemington straight.
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RTS might just be one of those guys that never gets the titles that he deserves, in terms of championships, but still one of the best to ever play.
Well he's got one at least. More than Stacey who probably deserved one at least too.
Yeah that is why I used the plural.
I did also say "one of the best". Top ten fullbacks?
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
made to look better by being the best player at his club by the length of the Flemington straight.
No doubt about that, but he was pretty bloody good before he came to the Worriers too, and won a championship in a very good Rooster team of course.
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Top ten fullbacks?
crowded field
Some greats in the 90s (Belcher, Brasher, ET, even Dale Shearer)
Minnichelo, Matty Bowen, Lockyer as a FB was a jet, Jaryd Hayne got Parra to a GF by himself, Slater is the best i have seen, Tedesco is awesome and getting better, Tommy Turbo, Brett Stewart,
and that's just the ones i can name off the top of my head.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
Top ten fullbacks?
crowded field
Some greats in the 90s (Belcher, Brasher, ET, even Dale Shearer)
Minnichelo, Matty Bowen, Lockyer as a FB was a jet, Jaryd Hayne got Parra to a GF by himself, Slater is the best i have seen, Tedesco is awesome and getting better, Tommy Turbo, Brett Stewart,
and that's just the ones i can name off the top of my head.
I think RTS is easily up with that lot. Starred in a stacked team and then has starred in an utterly cabbage team.
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@mariner4life These things are all subjective but I would have him up there with some of those and he isn't finished yet.
Slater was the first that came to mind. Inglis was a fullback on occasion and good. Hayne for sure. Still leaves room in a ten though. -
@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
On the NRL as a whole
The QLD teams are dogshit. Green should be the next coach sacked given he actually has a good roster to work with, and the Cowboys are terrible. The Broncos have an unbalanced squad, and too many passengers. The Titans are just stacked with ordinary, and losing meekly to the Dragons is damning.
Manly are a bloody tough side, and those Trbo... Turbo... Trj... those brothers they have a both really fucking good. I would say they are the 2nd best team in the comp right now. Newcastle are going well, playing off the back of a big, mean forward pack. Mitchell Pearce is the reason they can't win the comp, even given an armchair ride against a shit Broncos team he worked against them last week. I have a sneaky suspicion that Parra are once again pretenders. Everyone else is making up the numbers.
I kind of wish we got Des Hasler to the Warriors when he was still jobless. He's proven that he can rebuild a struggling team, not once, but 3 times now. And he's taken no time in getting each team he's coached to being contender quality.
He's a bit quirky, but he has a case for being the 2nd best NRL coach of the last 15 years.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
Top ten fullbacks?
crowded field
Some greats in the 90s (Belcher, Brasher, ET, even Dale Shearer)
Minnichelo, Matty Bowen, Lockyer as a FB was a jet, Jaryd Hayne got Parra to a GF by himself, Slater is the best i have seen, Tedesco is awesome and getting better, Tommy Turbo, Brett Stewart,
and that's just the ones i can name off the top of my head.
I think RTS is easily up with that lot. Starred in a stacked team and then has starred in an utterly cabbage team.
of course he is, but i am referring to him being called one of the greatest. I assumed that meant players, not just fullbacks.
He's at least as good as the other 2 great FBs going around now. In a decent team i would say he would absolutely carve.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
I assumed that meant players,
Yeah, meant fullbacks. Can't really compare players easily in different positions.
Is Carter as good is McCaw.? Just different skill sets.
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so, coaching names. Who do we like?
I don't want another Warriors old boy. For whatever reason, they all seem to be too chummy with the players, not hard enough.
I don't mind the Anthony Griffen calls. By all accounts he's fucking tough on the playing group, and sets high standards. He's not the coach to win you a comp, but then, we are years from that anyway. He'll lay the platform for the next guy though.
The amount of squad turnover we need is outrageous.
But, the Warriors gonna Warrior. It'll be a bad appointment on a bad contract. Trent Barrett for 5 years on $4M a year
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
I assumed that meant players,
Yeah, meant fullbacks. Can't really compare players easily in different positions.
Is Carter as good is McCaw.? Just different skill sets.
then yes, he's as good as anyone i can remember at 1. But Fullback is stacked in the NRL, there always seems to be 3-4 great ones running around at the same time.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
so, coaching names. Who do we like?
I don't want another Warriors old boy. For whatever reason, they all seem to be too chummy with the players, not hard enough.
I don't mind the Anthony Griffen calls. By all accounts he's fucking tough on the playing group, and sets high standards. He's not the coach to win you a comp, but then, we are years from that anyway. He'll lay the platform for the next guy though.
The amount of squad turnover we need is outrageous.
But, the Warriors gonna Warrior. It'll be a bad appointment on a bad contract. Trent Barrett for 5 years on $4M a year
I'm not sure if a tough task master is what they need. They certainly haven't worked in the past (Anderson did very well until he lost the group though, and he was a yeller). Geoff Toovey has put his hand up God help us.
A mate who is close to the Warriors likes the Walker brothers. They play an exciting brand of footy by all accounts. Time to focus on the basics and have fun at the same time. The more I read the more I'm happy to take a punt on a hungry coaching team rather than an existing entity
Renouf: Why Walker brothers are right fit to coach Titans
The Gold Coast Titans have a big decision to make on their next coach and I firmly believe Ipswich co-coaches Ben and Shane Walker are the right option.
The fact that they do more with less would appeal to management. We need someone to take the yoof and turn them into real scary ball players
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@canefan i watched their Q-Cup team a few times up here, and they are fun to watch.
And i have a lot of sympathy for the attitude that if we are going to lose, lets at least entertain. Give me a reason to turn it on.
I still think a hard task master needs to come in and set some standards. For too long we looked under-prepared. They don't need to be a yeller, just set a high bar, and get the players to that level.
But, this is all guess work from the outside. What we can't do is the same thing we have done forever.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
@canefan i watched their Q-Cup team a few times up here, and they are fun to watch.
And i have a lot of sympathy for the attitude that if we are going to lose, lets at least entertain. Give me a reason to turn it on.
I still think a hard task master needs to come in and set some standards. For too long we looked under-prepared. They don't need to be a yeller, just set a high bar, and get the players to that level.
But, this is all guess work from the outside. What we can't do is the same thing we have done forever.
From what I read Walker is very professional and will drum the basics into the team, is that your assessment? I don't see why you can't play hard, do the basics and have fun
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@canefan Toovey has a solid record, but he had the team Hasler built to work with.
He has come out in the media and says he would like to do it if asked. I just think we've tried a number of established coaches and we've not done great. Ivan has the best playoff appearance record of any Warriors coach (not sure about W-L), he was understated, quiet, instilled a lot of trust in his players and tried to get a balance between the percentage play of Kearney and the razzle dazzle of the great Warriors teams. I reckon roll the dice on a guy who is ambitious and is desperate to prove himself at NRL level. Walker was passed over by the Titans, he will be gasping to prove everyone wrong
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
Top ten fullbacks?
crowded field
Some greats in the 90s (Belcher, Brasher, ET, even Dale Shearer)
Minnichelo, Matty Bowen, Lockyer as a FB was a jet, Jaryd Hayne got Parra to a GF by himself, Slater is the best i have seen, Tedesco is awesome and getting better, Tommy Turbo, Brett Stewart,
and that's just the ones i can name off the top of my head.
Man those names takes you back, late 80’s early 90s was a great time. NRL was something new and cool here in NZ
You had that and the WWF, Friday nights were sweet back then.Dale Shearer was one of those guys who generally saved his best for Origin tho.
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@canefan Yeah, I saw Toovey's interview on the news last night. I'm not sure what he is as a coach, but Manly players seemed to like his coaching style. It was obvious that he lived off of the team Hasler built a bit too much though and didn't have a plan to build his own once the star players got older.
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@Dice The Walkers built Ipswich from the ground up. That is the type of coach we need
Unfortunately they wont be able to do that with the Warriors. Cameron George, the supposed saviour will still be there, and they'll inherit a squad. But hopefully (if they were brought in) they can do a Rennie and come into that environment, make some adjustments and have success.
