NRL 2020
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@Paekakboyz said in NRL 2020:
@canefan hmm wonder if Auckland League stepping away from the Warriors will see an improvement in grassroots and the feeder system. I know there are scouts from most teams checking out NZ talent but getting more of our homegrown guys in the mix will hopefully let us save $$ to really target aussie talent, whether that's experienced guys or up and comers.
Our best ever teams were homegrown with a few aussies thrown in. We have bought poorly for the most part since Wiki and Price. Off the top of my head, Luck Lillyman Harris and RTS were or have been great, Tomkins Luke Blair not so much. Hoffman tried hard but was past his best. Can't think of anyone else right now, I am prepared to be corrected
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How about getting John Ackland in the house and on the young talent again. Why they got rid of him, I don't know ( @Sneakdefreak might)
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yes the roster is dogshit, but Kearney has been there for 3.5 years, so it's all his.
He's been a head coach for 121 first grade games. He has won 42 of those. This should not be a shock to anyone
He's getting an awful lot of sympathy over here, and honestly that's understandable (people loving the Warriors for what they did to get the footy back) but in all seriousness this should have happened 12 months ago.
The recruitment at the Warriors for several years has been "did you play for the kiwis once? okay have a truck-ton of money" or even worse, trying to buy ex-Storm players (which works out for no one).
We are never going to buy ready-made origin-level talent, so stop trying. Identify needs and fill them with solid pros, and identify local talent to provide that bit extra. We have one part of the spine sorted. I assume our hooker is cheap, so that's okay, but our halves? The money Nikorima is on is a just another bad warriors contract. We need a complete rebuild, which is a shame, because RTS is going to realise he wasted the best years of an elite level career by playing in Auckland. He deserves better.
The new coach needs to provide an edge to all prep. The Roosters had a 5-day turnaround to a game against the other unbeaten side. They lost a player to injury because of the intensity of the defensive session they did on Thursday. I somehow doubt there has been that level of prep in the Warriors for some time (not just Kearney to be fair).
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On the NRL as a whole
The QLD teams are dogshit. Green should be the next coach sacked given he actually has a good roster to work with, and the Cowboys are terrible. The Broncos have an unbalanced squad, and too many passengers. The Titans are just stacked with ordinary, and losing meekly to the Dragons is damning.
Manly are a bloody tough side, and those Trbo... Turbo... Trj... those brothers they have a both really fucking good. I would say they are the 2nd best team in the comp right now. Newcastle are going well, playing off the back of a big, mean forward pack. Mitchell Pearce is the reason they can't win the comp, even given an armchair ride against a shit Broncos team he worked against them last week. I have a sneaky suspicion that Parra are once again pretenders. Everyone else is making up the numbers.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
We need a complete rebuild, which is a shame, because RTS is going to realise he wasted the best years of an elite level career by playing in Auckland.
TBF, if he'd swapped to rugby rather then re-sign with the Warriors he'd have been perfectly placed to be in a successful Auckland based team right now.
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RTS might just be one of those guys that never gets the titles that he deserves, in terms of championships, but still one of the best to ever play.
whoa whoa whoa hold on
There is a decent argument to make that he is only the 3rd best fullback in the comp right now.
He's really really fucking good, but perhaps made to look better by being the best player at his club by the length of the Flemington straight.
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RTS might just be one of those guys that never gets the titles that he deserves, in terms of championships, but still one of the best to ever play.
Well he's got one at least. More than Stacey who probably deserved one at least too.
Yeah that is why I used the plural.
I did also say "one of the best". Top ten fullbacks?
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
made to look better by being the best player at his club by the length of the Flemington straight.
No doubt about that, but he was pretty bloody good before he came to the Worriers too, and won a championship in a very good Rooster team of course.
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Top ten fullbacks?
crowded field
Some greats in the 90s (Belcher, Brasher, ET, even Dale Shearer)
Minnichelo, Matty Bowen, Lockyer as a FB was a jet, Jaryd Hayne got Parra to a GF by himself, Slater is the best i have seen, Tedesco is awesome and getting better, Tommy Turbo, Brett Stewart,
and that's just the ones i can name off the top of my head.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
Top ten fullbacks?
crowded field
Some greats in the 90s (Belcher, Brasher, ET, even Dale Shearer)
Minnichelo, Matty Bowen, Lockyer as a FB was a jet, Jaryd Hayne got Parra to a GF by himself, Slater is the best i have seen, Tedesco is awesome and getting better, Tommy Turbo, Brett Stewart,
and that's just the ones i can name off the top of my head.
I think RTS is easily up with that lot. Starred in a stacked team and then has starred in an utterly cabbage team.
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@mariner4life These things are all subjective but I would have him up there with some of those and he isn't finished yet.
Slater was the first that came to mind. Inglis was a fullback on occasion and good. Hayne for sure. Still leaves room in a ten though. -
@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
On the NRL as a whole
The QLD teams are dogshit. Green should be the next coach sacked given he actually has a good roster to work with, and the Cowboys are terrible. The Broncos have an unbalanced squad, and too many passengers. The Titans are just stacked with ordinary, and losing meekly to the Dragons is damning.
Manly are a bloody tough side, and those Trbo... Turbo... Trj... those brothers they have a both really fucking good. I would say they are the 2nd best team in the comp right now. Newcastle are going well, playing off the back of a big, mean forward pack. Mitchell Pearce is the reason they can't win the comp, even given an armchair ride against a shit Broncos team he worked against them last week. I have a sneaky suspicion that Parra are once again pretenders. Everyone else is making up the numbers.
I kind of wish we got Des Hasler to the Warriors when he was still jobless. He's proven that he can rebuild a struggling team, not once, but 3 times now. And he's taken no time in getting each team he's coached to being contender quality.
He's a bit quirky, but he has a case for being the 2nd best NRL coach of the last 15 years.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
Top ten fullbacks?
crowded field
Some greats in the 90s (Belcher, Brasher, ET, even Dale Shearer)
Minnichelo, Matty Bowen, Lockyer as a FB was a jet, Jaryd Hayne got Parra to a GF by himself, Slater is the best i have seen, Tedesco is awesome and getting better, Tommy Turbo, Brett Stewart,
and that's just the ones i can name off the top of my head.
I think RTS is easily up with that lot. Starred in a stacked team and then has starred in an utterly cabbage team.
of course he is, but i am referring to him being called one of the greatest. I assumed that meant players, not just fullbacks.
He's at least as good as the other 2 great FBs going around now. In a decent team i would say he would absolutely carve.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
I assumed that meant players,
Yeah, meant fullbacks. Can't really compare players easily in different positions.
Is Carter as good is McCaw.? Just different skill sets.
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so, coaching names. Who do we like?
I don't want another Warriors old boy. For whatever reason, they all seem to be too chummy with the players, not hard enough.
I don't mind the Anthony Griffen calls. By all accounts he's fucking tough on the playing group, and sets high standards. He's not the coach to win you a comp, but then, we are years from that anyway. He'll lay the platform for the next guy though.
The amount of squad turnover we need is outrageous.
But, the Warriors gonna Warrior. It'll be a bad appointment on a bad contract. Trent Barrett for 5 years on $4M a year
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
I assumed that meant players,
Yeah, meant fullbacks. Can't really compare players easily in different positions.
Is Carter as good is McCaw.? Just different skill sets.
then yes, he's as good as anyone i can remember at 1. But Fullback is stacked in the NRL, there always seems to be 3-4 great ones running around at the same time.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2020:
so, coaching names. Who do we like?
I don't want another Warriors old boy. For whatever reason, they all seem to be too chummy with the players, not hard enough.
I don't mind the Anthony Griffen calls. By all accounts he's fucking tough on the playing group, and sets high standards. He's not the coach to win you a comp, but then, we are years from that anyway. He'll lay the platform for the next guy though.
The amount of squad turnover we need is outrageous.
But, the Warriors gonna Warrior. It'll be a bad appointment on a bad contract. Trent Barrett for 5 years on $4M a year
I'm not sure if a tough task master is what they need. They certainly haven't worked in the past (Anderson did very well until he lost the group though, and he was a yeller). Geoff Toovey has put his hand up God help us.
A mate who is close to the Warriors likes the Walker brothers. They play an exciting brand of footy by all accounts. Time to focus on the basics and have fun at the same time. The more I read the more I'm happy to take a punt on a hungry coaching team rather than an existing entity
Renouf: Why Walker brothers are right fit to coach Titans
The Gold Coast Titans have a big decision to make on their next coach and I firmly believe Ipswich co-coaches Ben and Shane Walker are the right option.
The fact that they do more with less would appeal to management. We need someone to take the yoof and turn them into real scary ball players
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@canefan i watched their Q-Cup team a few times up here, and they are fun to watch.
And i have a lot of sympathy for the attitude that if we are going to lose, lets at least entertain. Give me a reason to turn it on.
I still think a hard task master needs to come in and set some standards. For too long we looked under-prepared. They don't need to be a yeller, just set a high bar, and get the players to that level.
But, this is all guess work from the outside. What we can't do is the same thing we have done forever.
