Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua

taniwharugby

dont the Leaguies say Origin is the greatest show on earth?

Nepia

As it was free-to-air in Oz (well on Fox but not pay-per-view) I watched quite a few of the fights. Some of them were bloody entertaining because most of the undercard guys all had good chins it seems (or no power in their punches).
 
They did weirdly have a corporate fight before the main event. But that was brilliant for the dude from Palmy who basically lead with his head the entire time.
 
I had a fun night watching it but ... there's no way I would have paid cash dollars for it.

Nepia

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A massive step backwards. The guy he fought was a bum and no way should this have gone as long as it did. The conditions were probably a bit hot but a lot of Parkers punches lacked power and looked like slaps.
 
I'd hold him back a while. I was wrong based on this effort. Joshua would eat him alive. 
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Could a case not be made that he was fighting within himself a bit last night Raz? (You clearly know more about boxing than me - as I learnt last night all you Samoan's come out of the womb with the gloves already on ;)).

wfballLegends

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What a load of tripe and hyperbole. Are you sure you aren't a promoter yourself?
 
You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about Parker and Duco. Fair enough for Duco, they are being dickheads at times, but it is a dickheads game. While Barry and Lonergan may be the mouthpieces talking things up, I think it would also pay to remember that a very astute sporting administrator is running things overall.
 
Parker holds no value? Right. He has ranking. Ranking holds value. Where are all the guys wanting to break into the top 10 that aren't scared of him? I had a listen to the commercial guy for Duco on the radio a while back and he laid out all the approaches they had been making, to guys ranked above and below. The ones above don't want to risk their position and the ones below see him as too hard.
 
Joshua in under a minute? I'll take that one as an over exaggeration.
 
If you don't want to follow this kids attempts to follow his dreams then don't. No one is forcing you to. He will learn things and make mistakes along the way for sure. Respected boxing analysts seem to rate him much much higher than you do and can see something good there. No, he isn't ready yet for a title shot, but he is very young as far as heavyweights go and has a lot to experience. It is possible a fast track attempt will come up and he may have a shot at it too early. I'm sure you are lining yourself up for a Ratpoo like told you so' post when that happens.
 
Personally I'm enjoying watching this talented kid try and make his way. He has talent and I hope he gets where he wants to.
 
As for his record so far. Go and check Fury's record at the same point.
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For starters, I do think Parker has talent and ability but it is nowhere near developed as has been made out and certainly if he was to step into the ring with either Wilder or Joshua let alone a David Haye he would get knocked out. Duco can lie all they want and you can believe it, Nobody wants to fight Parker because he currently has no value taht is FACT, they are trying to call out fighters via the media to garner public and media interest around Parker but the level of fighter he has fought so far are so underwhelming nobody half decent will want to fight him. Has Parker fought anybody in the top 20 yet? - NO - Then how the hell can you rate him in the top 10 - WHAT A JOKE! 
You talk about ranking, the only reason Parker is ranked top 10 is via activity nothing else!. HE has thought absolute bums with no track records. Do you think talent got him there? if that was the case he would be invited to main fight cards in the USA and Europe like Tua was. Its not happening. He has no media attraction except here in New Zealand.
 
Yes Joshua would of ripped Bergman apart in the 1st round because thats what Joshua does, I heard in training that Wilder was constantly knocking Bergman down. Bergman had nothing left in the tank vs Parker, that's why he quit. Certainly not Parker's power - Very worrying.
 
Do you know who Parkers immediate Belt target is if they can get it - who do Duco keep bringing up - its Martin - the one guy nobody thinks deserves to hold a belt. Why? because he is probably the only one Parker would have a legit chance against within the next 18 months. Ask yourself why is Parkers next fight in Christchurch? - why? if he is the unbelievable prospect.
 
You mention Parker is rated by Boxing Analysts - could you point me to any articles, interviews from anybody with a reputation (and not that american presenter they keep flying out) who is rating him seriously , id love to read that, I have not come across anybody from an expert point of view who rates him up there, certainly nothing more than promising and needing a lot of work.
 
I love boxing, its my most loved sport, I want Parker to make it and put NZ/Samoa on the map, just sick of the lies out of Duco and the NZ media. 
ON Tyson Fury, no many rate him, he is comic value, and it was obvious Klitschko threw that fight. It was common knowledge that his PPV earnings had dried up and people were losing interest in him. He needed a loss to boost his market appeal and create a legacy of having heart. Watch - next fight Fury will be dropped.

Crucial

You almost had me until the conspiracy theory in that last para proved you are talking out if your arse. 
The reason Parker is ranked is because of the way rankings work, not because a promoter is shouting his name. I agree that it is one of the weird things about boxing that you can climb rankings without beating those above you, but that's the game they all play because the moment you lose to someone ahead of you your climb halts and you start slipping. 
I point again to ranking systems like boxrec that, although not flawless by any means, apply the same system over everybody so rankings are relative if fight numbers are the same. They seem to have Parker around the ranking that most pundits do. 
Bob Sheridan may play up to his NZ audience a touch, but he is also a respected boxing hall of fame commentator that has seen more boxers live over the years than most. 
I think everyone agrees that claims are empty until he steps up but talking up a prospect to try and get those opportunities is not lying. 
Parker is fighting down here because currently that's where he can make money alongside gaining experience. If big names won't fight him yet then he is better off learning his trade where he has support rather than being a low paid undercard fighter. Quite obviously Duco have seen the PPV stats and know they earn from the Samoan community so have locked that in. 
I'm just unsure what you want. You say he's not good enough then complain he isn't fighting big names. What do you want?

Godder

UFC's PPV market is the whole world, whereas Duco's PPV market is NZ and Australia - hardly a surprise that UFC is cheaper here, they don't need the money.

mimic

tbh, i agree with meetthemonster
parker is about 3 years out imo before mixing it with the top 10-20.. people forget hes very young, but people are hyping him up so much
however, i do like how they are developing him.. working on areas which each fight.. 
 
joshua fought a lot of bums as well.. only his recent fight gave him some sort of credibility imo..

wfballLegends

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You almost had me until the conspiracy theory in that last para proved you are talking out if your arse. 
The reason Parker is ranked is because of the way rankings work, not because a promoter is shouting his name. I agree that it is one of the weird things about boxing that you can climb rankings without beating those above you, but that's the game they all play because the moment you lose to someone ahead of you your climb halts and you start slipping. 
I point again to ranking systems like boxrec that, although not flawless by any means, apply the same system over everybody so rankings are relative if fight numbers are the same. They seem to have Parker around the ranking that most pundits do. 
Bob Sheridan may play up to his NZ audience a touch, but he is also a respected boxing hall of fame commentator that has seen more boxers live over the years than most. 
I think everyone agrees that claims are empty until he steps up but talking up a prospect to try and get those opportunities is not lying. 
Parker is fighting down here because currently that's where he can make money alongside gaining experience. If big names won't fight him yet then he is better off learning his trade where he has support rather than being a low paid undercard fighter. Quite obviously Duco have seen the PPV stats and know they earn from the Samoan community so have locked that in. 
I'm just unsure what you want. You say he's not good enough then complain he isn't fighting big names. What do you want?
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Look mate im looking at this as a boxing fan looking for reality and not marketing bullcrap. How about this for a break down.
 
This is your best top 10 in boxing currently who for after the next 18 - 24 months, Parker most certainly will not get a chance in ring with these guys before that. Dont even entertain the thought!!!! aint going to happen unless pigs begin to fly!

Tyson Fury (Only looking for big money fights) 3 years away
Alexander Povetkin - Would infuriate Parker something chronic - 3 years away
3) Wladimir Klitschko - Would KO Parker due to his poor footwork and open chin - 3 years away
4) Deontay Wilder - KO to Wilder - 3 years away
5) Kubrat Pulev - Parkers best chance to win in the top 10 but too good a technician currently - 2/3 years away
6) Luis Ortiz - Would KO Parker - 3 years away
7) Bermane Stirverne - Very talented boxer prone to an odd off night would outclass parker - 3 years away
8) Bryant Jennings - Read above, huge heart would not go down, no KO power - reminds me of Parker in many ways - 2/3 years
9) Ruslan Chagaev - Hard nut, would make another ideal target for Parker but technically would kill him right now 2/3 years
10) Anthony Joshua - Majorly over-hyped boxer, not truly tested but superb knock out power, would KO parker - 3 years
11) David Haye - Would dead set murder Parker - 3 years away
 
The above tier of boxers I believe are at least 2 to 3 year away targets for Parker to fight due to his current development
 
So this is the lay of the land of what you should expect to see being lined up for Parker
 
Tier 1 - If Duco is serious then within the next 2 years the name targets - whom I think Duco will or should go after go after for Parker that will test him properly and open the bigger fights.
 
Charles Martin - Current IBF champion - solid boxer but lacks flair, probably at his current peak, seriously realistic chance for Parker within 2 years. Doubt he will keep the title though.
Malik Scott - Talented boxer with good record but can not take the next step. Ideal gate keeper
Erkan Teper - Big man who is more akin to a street fighter - easier fight for Parker and matches close to where he is currently with development - would be a test
Antonio Tarver - 47 years old and still winning. Another Gate Keeper fight and a southpaw so DUCO could hype it to high heaven
Steven Cunningham - Does not have the dynamic talent to beat Parker but would give him a hell of a fight.
Carlos Takham - Solid, will never be champion but will give a great showing, great test again
Tony Tompson - Very little left to box for, would take a Parker pay day holliday in NZ, could potentially beat Parker, so danger fight
Derek Chisora - Wild fighter but open to be picked off, Could intimidate parker coming forward - great test.
Tomasz Adamek - Very experienced fighter who wouldnt knock Parker out but could easily outbox him, great test
Artur Szpilka - Dangerous fight for Parker but doesnt have the power punching to knock Parker out either. Test of boxing ability
 
These fights will develop Parker and properly begin to get other boxers and promoters to begin to take notice. These are also more dangerous fights where there is a chance Parker could actually loose.
 
Tier 2 - Watch out more than likely for sometime in the next 18 months these guys who look good, will add to the resume but wont beat parker
 
Lucas Browne
Chrisitian Hammer
Mike Perez
Jarrell Miller
Andy Ruiz
Mariusz Wach
Robert Helenius
Alexander Ustinov
Manuel Charr
 
Tier 3 - Next fight for Christchurch or just after
 
David Price 
Eric Molina
Nagy Aguiela (Who KO Bergman in 1st round!) 
Shannon Briggs 

Tier 4 - anybody else forget it, Duco are just in it for the PPV in NZ

wfballLegends

Its shit like this Lonergan says hahahahahaahahahahahaah 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76188484/joseph-parker-will-end-the-myth-that-is-anthony-joshua-says-dean-lonergan'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76188484/joseph-parker-will-end-the-myth-that-is-anthony-joshua-says-dean-lonergan</a>

Crucial

Forget Lonergan, he's there to beat up interest and will talk shit to do so.. 
Guys like Stu Duncan that is a pro match maker are more interesting. 
See <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division</a> 
And listen to <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx">http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx</a>

wfballLegends

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Forget Lonergan, he's there to beat up interest and will talk shit to do so.. 
Guys like Stu Duncan that is a pro match maker are more interesting. 
See <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division</a> 
And listen to <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx">http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx</a>
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This is just NZ media mate bloating on about Parker. There is very little reality in this. The biggest fighters on the planet meet when the money is 'right', its not in their interest to dodge a great pay day especially when they already have losses on their resume. You have to live in a very sheltered world when you believe every top boxer is avoiding Joseph 'Mike Tyson' Parker. 
You can bank this as FACT - none of the top 20 boxers are running scarred of Parker. Duco have no money to break Parker into the US or UK market, that's why he continues to fight in NZ.
 
They will be struggling to get a top 40 guy to come done and box him here or in Samoa. You think in just under 3 years Parker went from being a top amateur boxer to the most feared heavyweight walking the planet? and sponsored by BK ? Mate he is no Mike Tyson, hell he is no David Tua, nothing about Parker screams knock out King. He is a very good prospect, but nobody is ducking him, he just hasnt got value attributed to him yet. You cant get real street cred value fighting bums, you can in this modern age of boxing ratings get activity points. 
Parker will go after the IBF title, it makes sense, the others ...........................NOPE

wfballLegends

Just of note I actually believe Parkers handlers are stalling his development. He looks from his last 3 fights to have gone backwards. He is all aggression, wild, sloppy and brute force and abandoning his leading with the jab and thinking first about his follow through. He is sticking his chin out far to much on attack, just focused on firing and not concentrating on what is coming back at him. Against a good counter puncher he will lights out parker with a punch he never sees coming. Thats the kind of rubbish a good team would coach out of his game. He has developed some really bad habits. 
Those fights against Costa junior and Sherman, Parker looked so rapidly improved. Wether its the constant fight schedule he is keeping or this bum tour for PPV he is doing, his handlers are getting it wrong and I am concerned that Parker may in fact not just stall but go backwards,
 
Also all the talk of fighters avoiding him, just line up anybody who has fought against Klitschko, Fury, Haye, Wilder, Joshua and lost! - if they have been in the ring with those guys and got blasted out why would they avoid Parker? - Chirosa, Thompson or Whyte for example

Bovidae

Just to prove everyone has an opinion, here's Peter Fury's top 10 heavyweights.
 
1. Tyson Fury 2. Wladimir Klitschko 3. Deontay Wilder 4. Luis Ortiz 5. Charles Martin 6. Alexander Povetkin 7. Joseph Parker 8. Kubrat Pulev 9. Hughie Fury 10. Andy Ruiz Jr
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world</a>
 
Interesting comments about Joshua. Some nepotism there with son Hughie listed.

raznomore

The things i saw that worry 
Bergman was gassed and Parker was unloading using no footwork, leaning all over Bergman and using some sketchy punch selection leaving himself open. A LOT. 
What I loved was the head to body. It was brutal. 
Plenty of guys can take a punch like Bergman valiantly did but Parker needs guys that hit back. 
The has been some awesome stuff ans his handspeed again is probably un matched but hes open for the over hand on either side. There not much head movement and his feet are set in concrete. All stuff I was able to forgive given his seemingly slow rise to the top. But now they want to talk belts and top 10 fighters. 
Hes just not ready. I think if he continues on his way slowly building we'll have a champion on our hands. If he fights bigger names this year im 70% sure he'll lose. 
Side note. The scariest fighter out there for me is Ortiz. 36 years old, nasty big hitter with the cuban boxing pedigree. I think he'll be the fighter to beat over the next 2 years 
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kiwiinmelb

I worry for Parkers reputation with Lonergan mouthing off , they are opposite personalities 
 
His latest is Anthony Joshua is running scared of Parker ,
 
I understand he is trying to boost his profile But just find him a bit cringeworthy ,
 
for those that dont know him , he comes across as a dick

wfballLegends

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Just to prove everyone has an opinion, here's Peter Fury's top 10 heavyweights.
 
1. Tyson Fury 2. Wladimir Klitschko 3. Deontay Wilder 4. Luis Ortiz 5. Charles Martin 6. Alexander Povetkin 7. Joseph Parker 8. Kubrat Pulev 9. Hughie Fury 10. Andy Ruiz Jr
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world</a>
 
Interesting comments about Joshua. Some nepotism there with son Hughie listed.
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You would of got excited as a kiwi boxer supporter until you saw Charles Martin, Hughie Fury and Andy Ruiz Jr - that is a massive piss take by no little stretch aimed at riling up Joshua..

wfballLegends

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The things i saw that worry 
Bergman was gassed and Parker was unloading using no footwork, leaning all over Bergman and using some sketchy punch selection leaving himself open. A LOT. 
What I loved was the head to body. It was brutal. 
Plenty of guys can take a punch like Bergman valiantly did but Parker needs guys that hit back. 
The has been some awesome stuff ans his handspeed again is probably un matched but hes open for the over hand on either side. There not much head movement and his feet are set in concrete. All stuff I was able to forgive given his seemingly slow rise to the top. But now they want to talk belts and top 10 fighters. 
Hes just not ready. I think if he continues on his way slowly building we'll have a champion on our hands. If he fights bigger names this year im 70% sure he'll lose. 
Side note. The scariest fighter out there for me is Ortiz. 36 years old, nasty big hitter with the cuban boxing pedigree. I think he'll be the fighter to beat over the next 2 years 
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I completely agree with you, Ortiz for me is a real deal heavyweight, hopefully we can get 3 or 4 top years out of him.
 
Parkers feet really worry me also, as soon as he fights any of the top 10 quality guys they are going to pick him apart. He needs a seriously good coaching set up to get that rubbish out of him.

taniwharugby

So if you were Parkers manager how would you be doing things, what would you be saying in promoting him and his fights? 
im not a big boxing fan but hasn't the hyperbole and BS been part of it since, well, pretty much ever?

jegga

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So if you were Parkers manager how would you be doing things, what would you be saying in promoting him and his fights? 
im not a big boxing fan but hasn't the hyperbole and BS been part of it since, well, pretty much ever?
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Thats what I thought too, you'd have to talk your man up to make him worth the tv rights to be worth fighting. Barry did much the same with Tua and I remember when he fought Lewis a few boxing commentators discussing how hard he had worked to get Tua to the title fight .

kiwiinmelb

I think the argument with duco is , are they trying to make money from Joseph too early ? 
Horse before the cart situation .? 
If he needs to fight hacks as part of his development that's fine , but is it worth paying the big bucks that they are asking ? 
Are they going to burn fans in the process ?

The Silver Fern

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