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South Africa are the Jinx of Cricket finals!
I see their women lost the semi against Ozzie in a rain hampered D/L affected match
'Couldn't bring myself to look outside' - Australia's day in the rain
The home team battled hard against adversity to make the most talked about final in women's cricket history
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How fat has Katy Perry gotten?
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@antipodean She's with child.
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"In the first 25 matches of his test career, from his debut in March 2008 to the middle of the tour of England in May 2013, Southee took 81 wickets at an average of 34 and a strike rate of 64.
"In the next 25, from the final match of that 2013 tour to the end of the tour of Zimbabwe in August 2016, he took 91 wickets at an average of 31 and a strike rate of 63.
"Then in his last 23 matches, from the tour of South Africa in August 2016 to the end of India's visit in March, he has taken 112 wickets at an average of 24 and a strike rate of 49."
Okay the next person who tries claiming that Southee is past it or a journeyman at Test level is wearing my walking stick - the metal cored one
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@SynicBast I'll give you a really good example of how stats can be misleading.
In the Perth and Melbourne tests last year Southee was statistically our seond best bowler with the quality figures of 12 wickets at 25.75. However, he's an opening bowler. A strike weapon. In the first innings in Perth his first wicket was Matthew Wade. They had 225 on the board. His next wicket was at 325. Hardly the stuff of a genuine strike bowler (ie one who can help his team in all conditions). In the second innings he got David Warner with 44 on the board which was helpful but then next struck at 148. He very nearly claimed a ten-for in this match, FFS! But we were never in it, basically batted out of it in the first innings.
In Melbourne, he got three first innings wickets. Normally that's probably quite a useful return. Except the three were batting heavyweights Starc, Cummins and Lyon and his first was at 435. Nothing in the relatively brief second innings of this match although Wagner got three and even Mitchell Santner burgled a wicket.
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@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:
@Godder said in Other Cricket 2020:
I'd say that's more of an issue that Southee isn't an opening bowler, but he might be good for mopping up the tail.
You're not suggesting he could be selected on that basis?
Someone's got to clean them up, otherwise that's how you get McGrath making a test 50 against us.
Southee hasn't played every test - what are the equivalent figures like for Boult and any other opening bowlers we've tried?
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@shark those are outstanding numbers over a 12 year period. What the fuck does the guy have to do to get some much deserved recognition for what he’s achieved?
You could pick any bowler that has ever played a test and lay claims to why they’re shit and why their stats don’t tell the whole picture.
Jog on pal.
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@shark Selective incidents can allow one to make a claim that Hadlee was a shit bowler at one period because in one test he took no wickets because Chatfield, Cairns and Coney took all of them. Yes there is a difference in batting quality between top order and tail enders but these days being able to polish off the tail quickly/and or cheaply is a lot harder than it was - Wagner picks up an awful lot of lower order wickets but we don't criticise him for not knocking off the top order in droves more regularly.
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@Godder said in Other Cricket 2020:
@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:
@Godder said in Other Cricket 2020:
I'd say that's more of an issue that Southee isn't an opening bowler, but he might be good for mopping up the tail.
You're not suggesting he could be selected on that basis?
Someone's got to clean them up, otherwise that's how you get McGrath making a test 50 against us.
Southee hasn't played every test - what are the equivalent figures like for Boult and any other opening bowlers we've tried?
That's like saying a batsman who makes decent scores in lost cause innings should be selected because of that ability.
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