Possible All Blacks 2020
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@Crazy-Horse said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@booboo yeah I am surprised the 'time to move on from Cane' comment hasn't caused a Fern meltdown 😀
Still the best NZ back row player. 😉
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Does anyone know how big the squad is for the July Wales/Scotland games?
It will be interesting to see what they do with the third 7 (behind Cane and Ardie). Given Cane and Ardie can play multiple positions i'd be fairly confident they'll look at another 7 option in the squad.
Boshier has been in outstanding form, Christie has started his Super career terrifically and Papalii wants to play 7 and after his showing vs Stormers may get a prolonged shot there for the Blues.
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@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
12 only: Laumape
12-13: ALB, Goodhue
13-wing: Ennor
12-13-15(-10): Havili, J BarrettI assume, in case of injuries, they can all cover wing.
Yeah 9s are often wing emergency cover, so yeah
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@Stargazer add in Aso who can play 11, 12, 13, 14. Needs to work on his defence though.
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@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
12 only: Laumape
12-13: ALB, Goodhue
13-wing: Ennor
12-13-15(-10): Havili, J BarrettI assume, in case of injuries, they can all cover wing.
13-wing : Ioane ? Not yet the best option but he has already played a good number of minutes as a centre for the ABs.
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@Canes4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer add in Aso who can play 11, 12, 13, 14. Needs to work on his defence though.
And his decision making, often to cocky with his options.
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@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
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@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
He was far from terrible, that's not accurate at all. Also, he's played centre a few times for the All Blacks already.
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@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
He was far from terrible, that's not accurate at all. Also, he's player centre a few times for the All Blacks already.
but he's behind proven midfield test players like Jordie Barrett...
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@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
He was far from terrible, that's not accurate at all. Also, he's player centre a few times for the All Blacks already.
but he's behind proven midfield test players like Jordie Barrett...
I don't get the Jordie hate either, very useful to have a player that can play 15,wing,12 and 10 at a pinch. Not mention his goalkicking.
If we had dumped Nonu when he was at the same stage of his career making all his mistakes we'd have missed out on one of the greats. These players are in their early 20s!
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@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
He was far from terrible, that's not accurate at all. Also, he's player centre a few times for the All Blacks already.
but he's behind proven midfield test players like Jordie Barrett...
I don't get the Jordie hate either, very useful to have a player that can play 15,wing,12 and 10 at a pinch. Not mention his goalkicking.
If we had dumped Nonu when he was at the same stage of his career making all his mistakes we'd have missed out on one of the greats. These players are in their early 20s!
we did dump Ma'a, and he came back a much better player.
There is a huge difference between "not good enough now" and "should never play tests again" and i don't get how on here saying one automatically means the other. J Barrett has all the talent in the world, and should still have a good test career, but i am not sure he should be in the team yet.
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@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
He was far from terrible, that's not accurate at all. Also, he's player centre a few times for the All Blacks already.
but he's behind proven midfield test players like Jordie Barrett...
I don't get the Jordie hate either, very useful to have a player that can play 15,wing,12 and 10 at a pinch. Not mention his goalkicking.
If we had dumped Nonu when he was at the same stage of his career making all his mistakes we'd have missed out on one of the greats. These players are in their early 20s!
we did dump Ma'a, and he came back a much better player.
There is a huge difference between "not good enough now" and "should never play tests again" and i don't get how on here saying one automatically means the other. J Barrett has all the talent in the world, and should still have a good test career, but i am not sure he should be in the team yet.
And we have done the same for Jordie, yet he gets used as punch line here quite often. Quite seperate from how he's actually performing.
That happens to a few players, you get a Fern reputation then it just gets repeated ad nauseum.
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@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
He was far from terrible, that's not accurate at all. Also, he's player centre a few times for the All Blacks already.
but he's behind proven midfield test players like Jordie Barrett...
I don't get the Jordie hate either, very useful to have a player that can play 15,wing,12 and 10 at a pinch. Not mention his goalkicking.
If we had dumped Nonu when he was at the same stage of his career making all his mistakes we'd have missed out on one of the greats. These players are in their early 20s!
we did dump Ma'a, and he came back a much better player.
There is a huge difference between "not good enough now" and "should never play tests again" and i don't get how on here saying one automatically means the other. J Barrett has all the talent in the world, and should still have a good test career, but i am not sure he should be in the team yet.
And we have done the same for Jordie, yet he gets used as punch line here quite often. Quite seperate from how he's actually performing.
That happens to a few players, you get a Fern reputation then it just gets repeated ad nauseum.
oh i freely admit to going waaaay over the top with that, it's become a thing
but in my admittedly feeble defense, it's as a reaction to the over the top hype the kid gets, and the rating compared to performance.
This place is getting boring enough with the constant bringing up of facts rather than just allowing a discussion to generate. Over the top discussions about players is all we have left. I rag on the Barretts, others see everything named Ioane as being dogshit. Let us have some pub discussions, or we may as well just turn this place in to google.
"just refer to the front page"
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@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Kirwan said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@cgrant I'm still on the fence. Rieko Ioane has to improve a lot to come into the ABs midfield (other than as an emergency injury cover). He was terrible against the Stormers, but it's early days. He needs to play there consistently to improve, so give him time.
I didn't name Aso, yet, for the same reason (e.g. not quite there, yet), but IMO he's ahead of Ioane at the moment for a spot in the ABs midfield.
He was far from terrible, that's not accurate at all. Also, he's player centre a few times for the All Blacks already.
but he's behind proven midfield test players like Jordie Barrett...
I don't get the Jordie hate either, very useful to have a player that can play 15,wing,12 and 10 at a pinch. Not mention his goalkicking.
If we had dumped Nonu when he was at the same stage of his career making all his mistakes we'd have missed out on one of the greats. These players are in their early 20s!
we did dump Ma'a, and he came back a much better player.
There is a huge difference between "not good enough now" and "should never play tests again" and i don't get how on here saying one automatically means the other. J Barrett has all the talent in the world, and should still have a good test career, but i am not sure he should be in the team yet.
And we have done the same for Jordie, yet he gets used as punch line here quite often. Quite seperate from how he's actually performing.
That happens to a few players, you get a Fern reputation then it just gets repeated ad nauseum.
Jordie didn't get dumped, he got taken to the RWC and selected for the big matches despite not having the form to warrant it. Nonu got dumped from a RWC squad when he was closer to a starting selection on pure form than Jordie has ever been.
As @mariner4life notes no one is completely shutting the door on Jordie but it's fanciful to suggest he hasn't had a charmed run in the ABs that doesn't really reflect the performances he's put in over the past couple of years.
He's started very well this year though.
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@KiwiMurph said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Aso vs Rieko this weekend should be a good one to keep an eye on.
With them being cousins, it makes it even more interesting.
