Japan and Super Rugby
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Basically at a time where we need money and big markets to sustain our game it seems crazy to ditch a team in the biggest market that can attract a huge crowd to see a shite team made up of journeymen. Let their market work out how to make it work better for them but at the moment if I was a sponsor for a kiwi side I would be loving the exposure I could tap into in Japan
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@Stargazer said in Japan and Super Rugby:
Japan are really bad at organising their own domestic competition. If they want to be part of SR or a future comp replacing SR, they need to turn the TL into a domestic comp that is played at the same time as the Mitre 10 Cup and NRC.
The season is a bit strange this year, but normally the season goes from late August to to mid Jan
They’d probably need to shorten it
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@Duluth Yep, reducing the number of teams might help. Currently 16 temas in TL that play a round robin comp (120 games) without finals.
They should consider going back to the structure of the 2018-19 TL season or two entirely separate divisions (a higher and a lower tier), cut a few teams and get rid of Quarter Finals, so they can finish the entire comp in October.
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We don't need to tell them how to structure their game though. If they want to be part of an international pro comp they will find a way.
In the meantime does it matter if the SWs are shit or not as long as NZ teams can attract sponsors with a promise of exposure in the huge Japanese market? -
@Crucial said in Japan and Super Rugby:
We don't need to tell them how to structure their game though.
I don't think anyone on the Fern is in the position to tell the JRFU what to do. But we can express an opinion on what we think they should do.
I do mind shit teams being part of SR, if there is no genuine effort on the part of the home union to sign the best (Japanese) players to create a competitive team. IMO generating sponsor money isn't a sufficient reason to keep or invite a shit team like the SW to join/stay in SR if the TL clubs aren't prepared/forced to release more of their best players.
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@Stargazer I expect if they were a better team, sponsors would pay more...
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long term, I like Merht’s idea - there is plenty of money here and the time zones mostly work, so it is a big enough to get sponsor dollars and keep enough top and second tier players around, if a competition can be worked out the suits everyone.
Simply replacing SA with JP teams is a good strategy if SA walk away, although I’d prefer a competition through March - May that was inter pool play (eg, NZ derbies, Aus derbies, JP derbies, SA derbies) then a month in June with finals for 12 teams in two competitions (super cup For the top two from each, super something for next two) then we have International and (Semi-pro) domestic comps, and finished by November.
To be eligible for the ABs you’d have to play in any super rugby team.
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@gt12 said in Japan and Super Rugby:
To be eligible for the ABs you’d have to play in any super rugby team.
I suppose one of the problems with this is the NZRU wouldn't have control over work loads etc. There would be nothing stopping a foreign Super Team thrashing an AB into the ground, but I guess that's the risk the player would have to take if they decide to play for an overseas team.
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@Crazy-Horse said in [Japan and Super Rugby](/post/419338:
I suppose one of the problems with this is the NZRU wouldn't have control over work loads etc. There would be nothing stopping a foreign Super Team thrashing an AB into the ground, but I guess that's the risk the player would have to take if they decide to play for an overseas team.
Yeah if something like this did happen, I’m sure there would be a bias towards NZ based players still.
It would be great for fringe players and older established guys wanting a change of scenery
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@Duluth Daniel BRaid was in probably best form of his life when he played for the REds, but ineligible for ABs
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@taniwharugby Michael Little could’ve squeezed into an AB squad..
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Seems a decent enough thread for this. JJ is pretty rad eh.
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This idea is popping up again:
"Domestic competitions". I assume they mean Top League, Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super AU?
Or the new 12 team SR competition that includes all 5 NZ franchises, 5 Aussie franchises, Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika that is supposed to start in 2022 (but hasn't been signed off by RA, yet)?A change of format and opponents may initially attract new or more viewers, and obvioulsy Japanese coin, but considering the Japanese teams cannot be expected to be competitive enough, it could just mean new or more "clubs" to be beaten up by the NZ franchises. The novelty of a Jap-NZ-AU+ competition will wear off pretty fast if the opposition isn't strong enough.
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Isn't the problem with Japan the comp timings? Having a franchise like the Sunwolves is the right idea but like the Jaguares it needs to be a pseudo national side with players drawn from across the well established domestic comps.
If Super can dangle a big enough carrot in so far as player development and exposure to Japan Rugby then maybe there is an opportunity for the domestic calendar to change.
