Crusaders 2020
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Can you imagine how stupid they are going to look if Robertson leads the Saders to another title and Foster has a shocker in his first dig..!
Before a ball has been kicked nationally or internationally, the absolute reverse of this is still an option that could happen.
Even as a Chiefs and Waikato fan, I wasn't enthusiastic about Fozzie getting the role and would have been happy for Robertson to get it. However, I will give him a chance to show he has the goods before I cry foul!
We've see this before.... just after the 2007 WC where Henry got the nod again. That didn't go too bad.
We will see how Foster goes but I don't have much confidence not just the time he was in charge of the Chiefs.
It felt like there was a decline in AB performances in the last couple of years they looked stale.And we maybe will have more of the same with Foster leading the way.As I remember Hansen saying foster had a big input the last couple of years making him a better coach.I still haven't seen evidence of that as yet.Hansen was in charge so he wears the results of the past 4 years. Who knows whether Fozzie would have done the same as Hansen.
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@Chris even if Hansen was letting Fozzie do more, I expect there was plenty of stuff that Fozzie knew how Hansen liked it being done, so more than likely while he was leading something, he was probably still doing it how his boss wanted it?
I interviewed for a job several years back with a guy who had coached Super rugby, and he said when he went in he had to be prepared, they fired plenty of questions at him, challenged his responses, often in ways that seemed like they were to provoke - was my first interview in 10 years and the least fun one I had ever been in, didnt get the job!
As above, I am willing to give Fozzie a shot, my leash of chances will extend only so far though
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@taniwharugby said in Crusaders 2020:
my leash of chances will extend only so far though
my pitchfork is already sharpened, my torch well oiled. both are by the front door. I've been building a fat effigy as well.
I'll be ready for some old fashioned mob justice after the first squad naming, i won't even need to see us play.
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@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Can you imagine how stupid they are going to look if Robertson leads the Saders to another title and Foster has a shocker in his first dig..!
Before a ball has been kicked nationally or internationally, the absolute reverse of this is still an option that could happen.
Even as a Chiefs and Waikato fan, I wasn't enthusiastic about Fozzie getting the role and would have been happy for Robertson to get it. However, I will give him a chance to show he has the goods before I cry foul!
We've see this before.... just after the 2007 WC where Henry got the nod again. That didn't go too bad.
We will see how Foster goes but I don't have much confidence not just the time he was in charge of the Chiefs.
It felt like there was a decline in AB performances in the last couple of years they looked stale.And we maybe will have more of the same with Foster leading the way.As I remember Hansen saying foster had a big input the last couple of years making him a better coach.I still haven't seen evidence of that as yet.Hansen was in charge so he wears the results of the past 4 years. Who knows whether Fozzie would have done the same as Hansen.
We are about to find out.we fast forward a few months and we see what happens.
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@taniwharugby said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris even if Hansen was letting Fozzie do more, I expect there was plenty of stuff that Fozzie knew how Hansen liked it being done, so more than likely while he was leading something, he was probably still doing it how his boss wanted it?
I interviewed for a job several years back with a guy who had coached Super rugby, and he said when he went in he had to be prepared, they fired plenty of questions at him, challenged his responses, often in ways that seemed like they were to provoke - was my first interview in 10 years and the least fun one I had ever been in, didnt get the job!
As above, I am willing to give Fozzie a shot, my leash of chances will extend only so far though
We shall see I donāt have much confidence in MR Foster.
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The fact is Razor has essentially coached in one environment - surely he would have been expecting a question/pushback exactly like what Henry asked. What was he expecting?
Foster also spoke about the difficult nature of the interview.
"It's natural to feel a bit deflated afterwards," Foster told Newstalk ZB. "And a lot of time and energy goes into it. So I don't think it's anything to do with the people there or the process it's just the fact that their job is not to give off too many messages and it's to put you under the pump. And they did that pretty successfully." -
@Nepia said in Crusaders 2020:
@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Graham Henry barked across the table in a patronising voice ,āwell thatās a real Crusaders way of doing things..!.
Just speculating here. I wonder if that is misread, when I interview people I'll often challenge then with off the cuff questions or statements, could this have been Henry trying to see if Robertson could articulate why the Crusaders way was best or to figure out if he had any other options up his sleeve if the Crusaders way fails.
Also playing devil's advocate ...
... was the statement suggesting "the Crusaders's way" was a bad way?
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@booboo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Nepia said in Crusaders 2020:
@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Graham Henry barked across the table in a patronising voice ,āwell thatās a real Crusaders way of doing things..!.
Just speculating here. I wonder if that is misread, when I interview people I'll often challenge then with off the cuff questions or statements, could this have been Henry trying to see if Robertson could articulate why the Crusaders way was best or to figure out if he had any other options up his sleeve if the Crusaders way fails.
Also playing devil's advocate ...
... was the statement suggesting "the Crusaders's way" was a bad way?
... would an appropriate answer be "It works"...?Would the reply to that then be "that's what Wayne Smith said in 2000"
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Can you imagine how stupid they are going to look if Robertson leads the Saders to another title and Foster has a shocker in his first dig..!
Before a ball has been kicked nationally or internationally, the absolute reverse of this is still an option that could happen.
Even as a Chiefs and Waikato fan, I wasn't enthusiastic about Fozzie getting the role and would have been happy for Robertson to get it. However, I will give him a chance to show he has the goods before I cry foul!
We've see this before.... just after the 2007 WC where Henry got the nod again. That didn't go too bad.
We will see how Foster goes but I don't have much confidence not just the time he was in charge of the Chiefs.
It felt like there was a decline in AB performances in the last couple of years they looked stale.And we maybe will have more of the same with Foster leading the way.As I remember Hansen saying foster had a big input the last couple of years making him a better coach.I still haven't seen evidence of that as yet.Hansen was in charge so he wears the results of the past 4 years. Who knows whether Fozzie would have done the same as Hansen.
We are about to find out.we fast forward a few months and we see what happens.
A lot I think and not always for the good.Steady on Nostradamus! "A lot will happen including some bad in the next few months". Just wow.
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@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Spoke to a good friend who is close to Scott Robertson last night , apparently Robertson said the process was a complete waste of his time, he got the impression the NZRFU had already well and truly made their minds up.
One particular comment to a question got Scott Robertsonās back up big time and quite frankly I thought as an organisation we were a lot better than this..
He was asked a question in and around his philosophy and the processes he would bring to the All Black coaching role ..after explaining what he would bring to the table, Graham Henry barked across the table in a patronising voice ,āwell thatās a real Crusaders way of doing things..!.
Are you bloody kidding me..?, the smug former All Black coach who should never have been on this panel shows his true colours ..I thought we had moved on from this sort of behaviour..
Well Mr Henry the Crusaders way of doing things seemed to work really well under Robertsonās watch 3 x years in a row and he did not have the luxury of having McCaw and Carter..
Just rather confirms to me once again how farcical this process has been..Can you imagine how stupid they are going to look if Robertson leads the Saders to another title and Foster has a shocker in his first dig..!
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
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@Bones said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@Hooroo said in Crusaders 2020:
@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Can you imagine how stupid they are going to look if Robertson leads the Saders to another title and Foster has a shocker in his first dig..!
Before a ball has been kicked nationally or internationally, the absolute reverse of this is still an option that could happen.
Even as a Chiefs and Waikato fan, I wasn't enthusiastic about Fozzie getting the role and would have been happy for Robertson to get it. However, I will give him a chance to show he has the goods before I cry foul!
We've see this before.... just after the 2007 WC where Henry got the nod again. That didn't go too bad.
We will see how Foster goes but I don't have much confidence not just the time he was in charge of the Chiefs.
It felt like there was a decline in AB performances in the last couple of years they looked stale.And we maybe will have more of the same with Foster leading the way.As I remember Hansen saying foster had a big input the last couple of years making him a better coach.I still haven't seen evidence of that as yet.Hansen was in charge so he wears the results of the past 4 years. Who knows whether Fozzie would have done the same as Hansen.
We are about to find out.we fast forward a few months and we see what happens.
A lot I think and not always for the good.Steady on Nostradamus! "A lot will happen including some bad in the next few months". Just wow.
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It doesn't take much insight to look forward into Mrs Fosters ability to bring the ABs to another level which they need to go to.
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@Steven-Harris this is 100% correct. Exactly how I was told by my source
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@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders 2020:
Spoke to a good friend who is close to Scott Robertson last night , apparently Robertson said the process was a complete waste of his time, he got the impression the NZRFU had already well and truly made their minds up.
One particular comment to a question got Scott Robertsonās back up big time and quite frankly I thought as an organisation we were a lot better than this..
He was asked a question in and around his philosophy and the processes he would bring to the All Black coaching role ..after explaining what he would bring to the table, Graham Henry barked across the table in a patronising voice ,āwell thatās a real Crusaders way of doing things..!.
Are you bloody kidding me..?, the smug former All Black coach who should never have been on this panel shows his true colours ..I thought we had moved on from this sort of behaviour..
Well Mr Henry the Crusaders way of doing things seemed to work really well under Robertsonās watch 3 x years in a row and he did not have the luxury of having McCaw and Carter..
Just rather confirms to me once again how farcical this process has been..Can you imagine how stupid they are going to look if Robertson leads the Saders to another title and Foster has a shocker in his first dig..!
Highlighted the only thing in this post which surprised me ...
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The Crusaders have completed their 2020 coaching panel by appointing former Wales wing Mark Jones as defence coach.
Jones, 40, will also work with Canterbury in the NPC.https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/118743112/former-wales-wing-mark-jones-joins-crusaders-coaching-team
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Here's the official media release:
Mark Jones joins Crusaders and Canterbury Mitre 10 Cup coaching teams
Published: 13 January 2020Former Wales international Mark Jones has been confirmed to join both the Crusaders and Canterbury Mitre 10 Cup campaigns for the 2020 and 2021 seasons. Jones is the fifth coach confirmed for the Crusaders, completing the balance of the coaching group for 2020. He will fill a specialist role assisting with team defence and position-specific player development. Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge said: āItās exciting to confirm Markās appointment to our Crusaders coaching group, and Iām sure heāll embrace the opportunity to coach at Super Rugby level. āMark brings a wealth of skills and experience from his time as both a player and a coach overseas, and heāll offer a fresh perspective to our group which will be extremely valuable as we build towards our 2020 campaign. Itās great to welcome Mark, his wife and two sons to Christchurch,ā Mr Mansbridge said. Crusaders Head Coach Scott Robertson added: āWe believe Mark is going to provide a real point of difference to the Crusaders, with his Northern Hemisphere skill set and extensive game knowledge. Iām confident heāll connect quickly with our playing group and will be a huge asset over the next two seasons.ā Mark Jones is a former Scarlets winger, who represented the club for 12 years, and was named Captain of the side in 2009. He worked his way through the Under 18, Under 19 and Under 20 age-grades for Wales, making his debut for the national side in 2001 and going on to win a Six Nations Grand Slam in 2008. Jones also attended two Rugby World Cups, in 2003 and 2007, retiring from the game in 2010 with 47 international caps to his name. His transition to coaching followed shortly after the end of his playing career, when he signed on as a skills and attack coach with Scarlets from 2010-2015. Jones was attack coach for Wales during their successful 2013 Six Nations Grand Slam, and went on to become Head Coach of Rotherham Titans and RGC 1404. Most recently, he was with Namibia at the 2019 Rugby World Cup as an attack coach. For Canterbury Rugby (CRFU) this appointment follows Decemberās announcement that Reuben Thorne and Mark Brown will lead the Mitre 10 Cup programme as co-coaches. Jones will step in to the role of Backs Coach with Canterbury. CRFU CEO Tony Smail said: āMark will play an active role from the beginning of this year in helping to build our 2020 programme, adding value to the community game from the start of the club season, alongside Reuben Thorne and Mark Brown. āHe has an impressive skill set that we believe will complement our new co-coaches, and his vast experience ensures heāll add value when he oversees the backs in the Mitre 10 Cup,ā Mr Smail said. Jones said he is grateful for what is a unique opportunity to coach with both the Crusaders and Canterbury sides: āThis is a fantastic opportunity for me to continue my development as a coach, with organisations that are highly regarded worldwide as setting a benchmark in provincial and Super Rugby. āItās a big step for myself and my family to move to New Zealand, but the chance to be involved in the game at grassroots level through to Super Rugby, and work alongside world class coaches and players at Rugby Park, was too good to miss. Iām looking forward to contributing my own ideas to these two great organisations,ā Jones said. -
Interesting interview with Scott Robertson. Click on the picture for the audio (which is about much more than the written text).
Codie Taylor and David Havili will be the vice-captains supporting captain Scott Barrett.
It sounds like it's still open who will play 12 & 13: Goodhue, Havili, McLeod all named as options for the 2nd five eighth spot. -
@Stargazer surely has to be Havili. It's probably a matter of having all the best players on the park and whether they see Goodhue as a 12 or a 13 moving forward. I'd suggest they would most likely leave Goodhue at 13 which means Havili would probably have the experience to shift into 12. Then you would probably have to start Jordan at 15, with Ennor as utility impact off the bench.
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@Canes4life said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer surely has to be Havili. It's probably a matter of having all the best players on the park and whether they see Goodhue as a 12 or a 13 moving forward. I'd suggest they would most likely leave Goodhue at 13 which means Havili would probably have the experience to shift into 12. Then you would probably have to start Jordan at 15, with Ennor as utility impact off the bench.
Early signs are Goodhue/Ennor Mid field combination if both are fit to start the season.Jordan off the bench
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