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<p>motherf...</p>
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<p>Does not compute</p>
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<p>Yeah fair call. If you take right wing/left wing as substantively different positions. I don't really - like with locks but it's fair enough too. Of that group listed Goldie would be the closest to the Cully, Lomu range for sure. Maybe it comes up to the second criteria I mentioned earlier in the thread about being the standout player in your area (tight five, loosies, halves, backline) for a good chunk of time as an AB and like Nepia said perhaps Lomu and Cully were so clearly more dominant - plus 99 semi and the early retirement.</p>
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<p>I freaking loved Goldie, growing up he was one of my favourites - especially with the double international thing - but I watched back about 10 tests from the 1995-1997 era and he just wasn't as good as what I remembered. Still brilliant at times and far more solid in defence and support play than the other two. 1997 was a special team.</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="535554" data-time="1445996985"><p>What bollocks. <br><br>
Lets set aside for a second that looking at one game is far from a good way to judge a player's defensive abilities. Tana was only at direct fault for one of those tries - the scrum one where he missed Joubert on a one on one tackle. The other two were not Tana's misses. In one he came in to tackle a loose forward and the ball was passed inside to Joubert and on the other Tana tackled the guy who made the break in cover.<br><br>
Tana's defence was fine.<br><br>
Is there another player whose playing reputation gets worse and worse as time goes on (by some fans)? We're almost at who's better between Scott Hamilton and Tana these days. :)</p></blockquote>
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I could point out a number of games where his lateral movement was questionable. <br><br>
Anyway for me Umaga's reputation is still the same from when he retired. A great winger, an excellent captain that had the respect of his team mates and many opposition players, an okay centre. -
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<p><strong>I could point out a number of games where his lateral movement was questionable.</strong><br><br>
Anyway for me Umaga's reputation is still the same from when he retired. A great winger, an excellent captain that had the respect of his team mates and many opposition players, an okay centre.</p>
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The problem with Tana towards the end was that he was too inconsistent. He was player of the series against the Lions in 2005 but then had serious tits for hands on the EOYT.<br><br>
Bit hard to compare them though. Tana started off as a winger during the amateur era and switched to centre fairly late in his career. -
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<p>I freaking loved Goldie, growing up he was one of my favourites - especially with the double international thing - but I watched back about 10 tests from the 1995-1997 era and he just wasn't as good as what I remembered. Still brilliant at times and far more solid in defence and support play than the other two.</p>
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<p>Wilson was bloody good in the 1996 SA series. Who can forget those chip and chases? It just shows we all have different opinions of former players. I'm picking Goldie over Lomu on the left wing everytime in my all-time AB XV.</p> -
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<p>Having seen him running up some of Wellys nastiest hills and looking like he's about to keel over at any moment I can assure the fern he must work his arse off to get in the shape that he does and the work he has done on his skills in the last few years is clearly evident.</p>
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<p>Random comment I remembered after reading this. I remember Colin Meads saying at a thing he was speaking at last year that Ritchie and Sam Whitelock were the only guys that actually ran quite a bit in terms of distance in the AB's....</p>
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<p>When did you see Nonu doing this training? wonder if he's changed it up a bit this year cause he's certainly looking trimmer.</p> -
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<p>Wilson was bloody good in the 1996 SA series. Who can forget those chip and chases? It just shows we all have different opinions of former players. I'm picking Goldie over Lomu on the left wing everytime in my all-time AB XV.</p>
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<p>You're picking a right wing over a left wing for your all time ABs team? Yes, we do have different opinions of former players.</p>
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<p>Did Goldie ever play on the left wing?</p> -
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<p>Did Goldie ever play on the left wing?</p>
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<p>Early on in the piece (once Paul Cooke was gone), he would occasionally play 11 for Otago. Not often though. Maybe 10 games at the absolute max?</p> -
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<p>Early on in the piece (once Paul Cooke was gone), he would occasionally play 11 for Otago. Not often though. Maybe 10 games at the absolute max?</p>
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<p>Cheers!</p>
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<p>Ya bloody almanack.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="WillieTheWaiter" data-cid="535632" data-time="1446002765"><p>Random comment I remembered after reading this. I remember Colin Meads saying at a thing he was speaking at last year that Ritchie and Sam Whitelock were the only guys that actually ran quite a bit in terms of distance in the AB's....<br>
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When did you see Nonu doing this training? wonder if he's changed it up a bit this year cause he's certainly looking trimmer.</p></blockquote>
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Earlier in the year. Pretty sure Conrad Smith runs a fair bit too although that sorta stuff definitely comes more naturally to skinny white boys. -
Ali vs Frasier, Bruce Robertson/Bill Osbourne, in crackley black and white. Too young to appreciate, until now.
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Heard Gregan make the comment when talking about Pocock "great players make everyone else in the team play better".<br><br>
Really rams home how much we are going to miss Nonu, DC and McCaw. Not only are they great players, the confidence they must instill in the rest of the team when they are on the park would be massive. Hugely influential players for the All Blacks. -
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<p>Ali vs Frasier, Bruce Robertson/Bill Osbourne, in crackley black and white. Too young to appreciate, until now.</p>
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<p>The AB backline c.1976 was also bloody good - except for full-back.where we had a decade of failed attempts to get someone even half-decent. </p>
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<p>The likes of Batty, BG Williams, Bruce Robertson and Bill Osborne were easily among the best we've ever had.</p> -
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<p>Not so sure about Mauger, I liked him at the time but in hindsight, not so much stood out.</p>
<p>Nonu and SBW are more than friends, bromance industrial strength.</p>
<p>But the reason I wrote was to disagree with you about Nonu's recent Super involvement, the last year or two at least he seems to have been putting in the effort.</p>
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<p>You are rightnostrildamus, I'm a dill for expressing that in the way I did.</p>
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<p>I should have said Nonu <u>on occasion</u> in Super Rugby does a little less than I anticipate he might - which really is a minor, subordinate thing in his outstanding career. When thinking about him yesterday League's Jonathan Thurston's occasional subdued performances at Club level came to mind and, on reflection, it is unrealistic to expect these champions to do magic <em>every time</em> they take the field.</p> -
I remember when there was serious debate on the fern as to whether Nonu was better than McAllister or not and this was after Nonus 2008/2009 seasons which I thought he was a standout. I think McAllister even won vote for most likely 12 at 2011 World Cup! Was a point when I thought signs of age and fatigue might be showing but seems invigorated this season looking as fast and fit as he has ever been.
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<p>I remember when there was serious debate on the fern as to whether Nonu was better than McAllister or not and this was after Nonus 2008/2009 seasons which I thought he was a standout. I think McAllister even won vote for most likely 12 at 2011 World Cup! Was a point when I thought signs of age and fatigue might be showing but seems invigorated this season looking as fast and fit as he has ever been.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/5452354/No-fond-farewell-for-enigmatic-Luke-McAlister'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/5452354/No-fond-farewell-for-enigmatic-Luke-McAlister</a></p>
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<p>Luke & Nonu should be shown to young guys who have huge physical talent when trying to explain what commiting yourself & being the best player you can be looks like. As opposed to being utterly disinteresed & fucking off for cash when things didn't fall your way.</p>
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<p>You could use Nonu, Toeava & Luke as a great example. All big fast, exceptional physical ability. Toeava got hamstrung by the mental block, then injuries killed off what should have been a stellar 100 test career just as he seemed to have hit the switch mentally. Nonu focused 100% on his game & never say back & relied on his basic skills, he just got better & better & saw competition as a spur. And Luke... yeah... </p> -
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Luke & Nonu should be shown to young guys who have huge physical talent when trying to explain what commiting yourself & being the best player you can be looks like. As opposed to being utterly disinteresed & fucking off for cash when things didn't fall your way.<br>
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You could use Nonu, Toeava & Luke as a great example. All big fast, exceptional physical ability. Toeava got hamstrung by the mental block, then injuries killed off what should have been a stellar 100 test career just as he seemed to have hit the switch mentally. Nonu focused 100% on his game & never say back & relied on his basic skills, he just got better & better & saw competition as a spur. And Luke... yeah...<br></p></blockquote>
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Totally agree on Toeava, for me he had probably the biggest upside of any young player NZ has produced but fell short mentally and was not helped by injuries. I think the weight of expectation just crushed him. -
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<p>Totally agree on Toeava, for me he had probably the biggest upside of any young player NZ has produced but fell short mentally and was not helped by injuries. I think the weight of expectation just crushed him.</p>
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<p>I was really surprised that he didn't switch to Samoa through the7's loophole (assuming he is still good). Maybe he really just doesn't like the attention</p>
