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@nzzp said in Other Cricket:
Out of interest, I thought I'd do a comparison of Hadlee (left) and Steyn (right).
Shows just how much work Hadlee got through in his career - 7 matches less (86 vs 93), but bowled around 2,400 more deliveries than Steyn.
Bowling has a lot of similarities, but Hadlee was 3x the batsmen (literally).
Was a pleasure to watch Steyn, one of the few fast bowlers I went out of my way to watch. Quality for ages, and a dead set legend.
Hadlee (left) vs Steyn (right)
pains me to say it but Steyn may have been better. The argument can be made.....
In Hadlees favour is 36 michelles vs 26 which indicates he bowled more singular match changing spells. Batting is no comparison obviously but I still wouldn't call Sir RJ a true all rounder.
In Steyns favour is the era he played being much friendlier for batsman yet he still averaged only a smidgen under Paddles. Also a strike rate of 42 vs 50 speaks for itself too.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
pains me to say it but Steyn may have been better. The argument can be made.....
Almost impossible to compare players from different eras and make a case for one being better than the other imo.
Hadlee was one of those once-in-a-lifetime kind of cricketers. Certainly one of my favourite picks for an alltime XI.But Steyn, on song - particularly when he would angle it at leg stump and swing it to hit top of off-stump - was probably more enjoyable to watch - at least for me.
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@Higgins said in Other Cricket:
In Sir RJs favour is that his averages are probably not benefitting with games against Zimbabwe and Bangledesh.
and the bowling support.
Batsmen didn't have to score off him, just see him off - there was usually a competitor at the other end. Hadlee's bowling partners, on the other hand, weren't exactly scary (much though we loved them)
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Some international coaching news:
Pakistan have sacked - or rather declined to renew - the coaching contract of Mickey Arthur and all his staff.
Arthur is said to be on the shortlist as a candidate to replace Bayliss at England after the Ashes series...And Otis Gibson and all his staff got the sack in SA.
No immediate replacement identified but apparantly Criscket SA will now be appointing more of a Football-type " Manager".Fun and games.
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@Billy-Webb Hesson is being talked up for both the Pakistan and Bangladesh coaching roles. Also allegedly short-listed for India.
I thought he gave up the Black Caps gig to spend more time with his young family....
Hope they like dhal
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So of the "big 4" who is most likely to pass Tendulkar's record of 51 test tons.
Smith is 30 and has 25 - tests to pass Sachin at current rate = 141 (76 more)
Kohli is 30 and has 25 - 157 (80 more)
Williamson is 29 and has 20 - 184 (112 more)
Root is 28 and has 16 - 262 (180 more)So Root is youngest and plays the most tests per year but also has the worst conversion rate so would need to improve this a lot. Kane is probably least likely as NZ play so few tests and would have to play past 40.
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Kohli will do it i reckon. He's already a better player than Tendulkar, would love for him to have the record to prove it.
Smith might as well, i just wonder if his "technique" will hold up as he ages
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
Kohli will do it i reckon. He's already a better player than Tendulkar, would love for him to have the record to prove it.
Smith might as well, i just wonder if his "technique" will hold up as he ages
He's a better ODI player in which he is a freak but as a test player he's about even so far.
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@KiwiPie said in Other Cricket:
So of the "big 4" who is most likely to pass Tendulkar's record of 51 test tons.
Smith is 30 and has 25 - tests to pass Sachin at current rate = 141 (76 more)
Kohli is 30 and has 25 - 157 (80 more)
Williamson is 29 and has 20 - 184 (112 more)
Root is 28 and has 16 - 262 (180 more)So Root is youngest and plays the most tests per year but also has the worst conversion rate so would need to improve this a lot. Kane is probably least likely as NZ play so few tests and would have to play past 40.
A few years back there was a real tussle to see who the best was out of this "big four" and I think the order you've listed is about right.
First two, enough said, all time greats of any era.
Our Kane, far and away our best ever test batsman with years to compile an even better record. May end up our best ever cricketer......a big "if".....
Root, average has dipped to under 49.....still excellent but getting to the point where he isn't worthy enough to be in this discussion......
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Kyle Abbott claims the best 4th best ever bowling figures in the county championship and 10th best in first class cricket - 17-86
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Bumrah is out with an injury.
Not shocking when you consider his action. Stress fracture in his back.
I sort of expected his shoulder to fly apart first.
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Wow! Nearly non-existent now.
Zim lost to Singapore last night.
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Not sure where to post this, so just sticking it here, but England just took a 2-1 lead with an innings victory over South Africa in South Africa. 1 match left in the series.
Adds a bit more perspective to the quality of our performance over the summer.
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@Cyclops yeah, and very interesting given Oz pasting India in ODIs. For all our limp performance in our latest series we aren't quite as shit as we've been painted!
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@Cyclops said in Other Cricket:
Not sure where to post this, so just sticking it here, but England just took a 2-1 lead with an innings victory over South Africa in South Africa. 1 match left in the series.
Adds a bit more perspective to the quality of our performance over the summer.
Other Cricket probably the go.
Have moved it.
Call me @Stargazer
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@Paekakboyz said in Other Cricket:
@Cyclops yeah, and very interesting given Oz pasting India in ODIs. For all our limp performance in our latest series we aren't quite as shit as we've been painted!
2-1 series win to India wasn't it? Not sure I would call that Aus pasting India.
