All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?
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Good to see some in the media finally calling it as it is.
While the impotence on attack is frustrating, the bigger issue is the game management. Smith, Barrett and Barrett are delivering quality possession to the opposition in such large quantities that we are liable to a ship at least a try a game simply on the weight of it.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@shark Every once in a while I like to see the ABs go up the guts and crush an opponent by dominating up front. We haven't done that for a while, perhaps it is time to show that side against the Jaaps
I firmly believe this is their actual gameplan by which they will crush everyone before them at the RWC.
I maintain that the first test and a bit vs the BIL (right up until SBW saw red) is exactly how we intend to take everyone on - brutal and effective.I think we've been trying gameplans B, C, D through to Z since because the selectors know whats going to work when we need it to.
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I remember at the last WC , during the pool stages, they looked bloody terrible, we were all thinking wtf is going on, it was all part of a master plan to put ourselves under pressure for practice, or something bizarre,
Soon as we hit the big games we clicked into gear,
I’m hoping like hell there is something similar going on
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@nzzp I'm not unfairly lumping all this on the 9s, when our 10, 12s and fullbacks are pretty ordinary as well.
The sweeping left boot of Carter and then his ability to kick at least 40m on the fly off his right. He got us out of many difficult situations with his kicking. His ability and consistency in kicking from hand is the best I’ve seen.
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@canefan said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@shark Every once in a while I like to see the ABs go up the guts and crush an opponent by dominating up front. We haven't done that for a while, perhaps it is time to show that side against the Jaaps
I firmly believe this is their actual gameplan by which they will crush everyone before them at the RWC.
I maintain that the first test and a bit vs the BIL (right up until SBW saw red) is exactly how we intend to take everyone on - brutal and effective.I think we've been trying gameplans B, C, D through to Z since because the selectors know whats going to work when we need it to.
Shag has been there done that. We have to have faith that he is keeping his powder dry
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@canefan said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@shark Every once in a while I like to see the ABs go up the guts and crush an opponent by dominating up front. We haven't done that for a while, perhaps it is time to show that side against the Jaaps
I firmly believe this is their actual gameplan by which they will crush everyone before them at the RWC.
I maintain that the first test and a bit vs the BIL (right up until SBW saw red) is exactly how we intend to take everyone on - brutal and effective.I think we've been trying gameplans B, C, D through to Z since because the selectors know whats going to work when we need it to.
I would be surprised if ABs try to front and get physical using their packs
That won't worry ENG IRE up north or Springboks or Pumas as wellABs threats come in their backline This threat has been negated recently with line speed Gap btw ABs & the rest of the world has shrunk massively in last 2 years
To the point that ABs won't win RWC with ease like they did in 2011 & 2015 when they were by far the best side
2019 RWC will be the most contested Comp to date with 7-8 sides with a legitimate chance of winning it all
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@Jaguares4real said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
2019 RWC will be the most contested Comp to date with 7-8 sides with a legitimate chance of winning it all
Which teams are those? 2 TRC sides and probably 3 NH sides for me...
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@MrDenmore said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
Perhaps, they'll pull a swifty and roll out a deep-standing Mounga at 10 in the knock-out matches, with Barrett at fullback and Ben Smith on the right wing.
And so it came to pass....
All Blacks team named for Test against South Africa:
The matchday 23 is as follows (with Test caps in brackets):
- Joe Moody (37)
- Codie Taylor (41)
- Owen Franks (106)
- Brodie Retallick (76)
- Samuel Whitelock (108)
- Shannon Frizell (4)
- Matt Todd (17)
- Kieran Read - captain (118)
- TJ Perenara (55)
- Richie Mo’unga (9)
- Rieko Ioane (24)
- Sonny Bill Williams (51)
- Jack Goodhue (7)
- Ben Smith (77)
- Beauden Barrett (74)
- Dane Coles (61)
- Ofa Tuungafasi (27)
- Angus Ta’avao (4)
- Vaea Fifita (10)
- Dalton Papalii (2)
- Aaron Smith (83)
- Anton Lienert-Brown (34)
- George Bridge (1)
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@MrDenmore that team is definitely not our best. Shag is giving everyone a run in a big game in preparation for Japan
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I would add Scotland Argentina Australia as well to your 5 which I presume are NZ SA ENG IRE WAL
These 3 sides are a bit behind but it's not a massive distance btw these sides
Margins for error are tiny If you don't bring your A Game you're very likely to get turned over
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@Jaguares4real said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
hese 3 sides are a bit behind but it;s not a massive distance btw these sides
Margins for error rare tiny If you don't bring your A Game you're very likely to get turned overWhile I think Australia are a chance, I think they are an outside chance, I dont see Scotland having any chance at all...they would need to beat 3 of the top rugby nations on consecutive weekends.
Argentina I am on the fence with, they are good enough, but not sure they are mentally ready to go all the way as I think they are still not a genuine International force beating teams consistently.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@Jaguares4real said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
hese 3 sides are a bit behind but it;s not a massive distance btw these sides
Margins for error rare tiny If you don't bring your A Game you're very likely to get turned overWhile I think Australia are a chance, I think they are an outside chance, I dont see Scotland having any chance at all...they would need to beat 3 of the top rugby nations on consecutive weekends.
Argentina I am on the fence with, they are good enough, but not sure they are mentally ready to go all the way as I think they are still not a genuine International force beating teams consistently.
They can knock over anyone on their day and have proven that but they have a massive mental block against the ABs.
So anyone bar NZ.
Tempted to add Wales to that bracket too, 1953 was a wee while ago.
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@MN5 am sure that is the case, but in the RWC, that means on thier day, 3 weekends in a row....
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@MN5 am sure that is the case, but in the RWC, that means on thier day, 3 weekends in a row....
Yep. No fucken chance. Quarter finals is a good aim for them cos Japan at home will be tough assuming Ireland top that pool.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@MN5 am sure that is the case, but in the RWC, that means on thier day, 3 weekends in a row....
That is the key , 3 big games 3 weeks in a row , which quite often can involve picking up injuries along the way and your ability to cover those .
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@Jaguares4real said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
hese 3 sides are a bit behind but it;s not a massive distance btw these sides
Margins for error rare tiny If you don't bring your A Game you're very likely to get turned overWhile I think Australia are a chance, I think they are an outside chance, I dont see Scotland having any chance at all...they would need to beat 3 of the top rugby nations on consecutive weekends.
Argentina I am on the fence with, they are good enough, but not sure they are mentally ready to go all the way as I think they are still not a genuine International force beating teams consistently.
I see it as being the most open world cup since 1995. 5 contenders for the comp then and now. Not the same 5 though.
I think I'm in agreement with your 5 contenders.
Overall, I'm in agreement with J4r that it is the most competitive in history, as the quality below the 5 contenders sees 4 other teams who could go deep and do plenty of damage to contenders hopes.
Where as in 1995 outside the big5, Scotland were OK, and the rest were trash.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@Jaguares4real said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
hese 3 sides are a bit behind but it;s not a massive distance btw these sides
Margins for error rare tiny If you don't bring your A Game you're very likely to get turned overWhile I think Australia are a chance, I think they are an outside chance, I dont see Scotland having any chance at all...they would need to beat 3 of the top rugby nations on consecutive weekends.
Argentina I am on the fence with, they are good enough, but not sure they are mentally ready to go all the way as I think they are still not a genuine International force beating teams consistently.
I see it as being the most open world cup since 1995. 5 contenders for the comp then and now. Not the same 5 though.
I think I'm in agreement with your 5 contenders.
Overall, I'm in agreement with J4r that it is the most competitive in history, as the quality below the 5 contenders sees 4 other teams who could go deep and do plenty of damage to contenders hopes.
Where as in 1995 outside the big5, Scotland were OK, and the rest were trash.
Still devastated at Emile Ntamacks last minute try that meant Scotland had to get Lomu’d cos at that stage they woulda comfortably got past Ireland in a quarter.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@Rapido said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
@Jaguares4real said in All Blacks Suffering Pragmatism Deficit?:
hese 3 sides are a bit behind but it;s not a massive distance btw these sides
Margins for error rare tiny If you don't bring your A Game you're very likely to get turned overWhile I think Australia are a chance, I think they are an outside chance, I dont see Scotland having any chance at all...they would need to beat 3 of the top rugby nations on consecutive weekends.
Argentina I am on the fence with, they are good enough, but not sure they are mentally ready to go all the way as I think they are still not a genuine International force beating teams consistently.
I see it as being the most open world cup since 1995. 5 contenders for the comp then and now. Not the same 5 though.
I think I'm in agreement with your 5 contenders.
Overall, I'm in agreement with J4r that it is the most competitive in history, as the quality below the 5 contenders sees 4 other teams who could go deep and do plenty of damage to contenders hopes.
Where as in 1995 outside the big5, Scotland were OK, and the rest were trash.
Still devastated at Emile Ntamacks last minute try that meant Scotland had to get Lomu’d cos at that stage they woulda comfortably got past Ireland in a quarter.
I'm still devestated about France being robbed by the refs in teh torrential semi against SA. That prop damn well scored
