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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rembrandt" data-cid="513448" data-time="1441369042">
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<p>seriously don't understand these flag movements starting just as they are officially discarded. </p>
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The momentum behind the red peak design is in its simplicity. People have come around to realizing that a flag needs to be recognizable on a small scale and easily drawn. All respect to the panel members but for some inexplicable reason they completely missed these points. Throw in some added subtle Maori symbolism and links to NZ's heritage and environment and any basic design is a winner. It's ridiculous that we have to choose from three variations of a complicated fern design and a black and white koru. Hopefully common sense prevails and we have additional options to vote on or this is a massive opportunity lost.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="513469" data-time="1441406434"><p><br>
You say that as if the public had any say over the final 40 or the final 4. Those were chosen by the panel - when the choices are made it's only natural that people will feel aggreived that their chosen flag didn't make it... hence the campaigns to have them added.<br><br>
I don't envy the panel as keeping everyone happy was simply impossible, but I do think the final 4 designs are very poor and I won't be voting to change to any of them. Just my opinion of course! People need to make their voices heard by actually voting, but just like the general election half the country won't even bother and then that same half of the country will proceed to bitch and moan about who/what got elected.</p></blockquote>
True that, I'd initially thought there was going to be 3 votes and the public would vote on the list of 40, shame they didnt do it that way -
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<p>Is there a way you can proove that? I need to show someone that as they are banging on about it being Key's vanity project.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/10451013/Labour-backs-national-flag-review'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/10451013/Labour-backs-national-flag-review</a></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kirwan" data-cid="513347" data-time="1441329349">
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<p>I really like that too.</p>
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<p>My son was asking about why we are changing, and also pointed out that the new ones would be hard to draw. Flags should be simple, they make great points.</p>
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<p>Why should flags be simple to draw?</p>
<p>You tried to draw our old flag properly? What about the US flag? </p>
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<p>I think easily recognisable is far more important, and out current one is not.</p> -
<p>many 10 year olds would be better drawers than I! </p>
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Yeah no thought at all for the artistically challenged adults. I would struggle to draw the red peak flag let alone anything with a fern and stars.
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<p>Why should flags be simple to draw?</p>
<p>You tried to draw our old flag properly? What about the US flag? </p>
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<p>I think easily recognisable is far more important, and out current one is not.</p>
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<p>Maybe they should be. My 5 year old nephew doesn't appear to know the lyrics to the national anthem (particularly the Maori verses) - perhaps we need to change it to something from the Wiggles or High School Musical catalogue?</p> -
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<p>Maybe they should be. My 5 year old nephew doesn't appear to know the lyrics to the national anthem (particularly the Maori verses) - perhaps we need to change it to something from the Wiggles or High School Musical catalogue?</p>
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<p>Although, your 5 year old <em>nephew</em> is a High School Musical fan .... </p> -
<p>The whole ordeal has been laughable. A shortlist of 40 of the most pathetic designs I have ever seen and then a top 4 of the most pathetic designs selected by a bunch of no hoper loser.</p>
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<p>There is no way our flag will change to one of these piss weak ones.</p>
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<p>pretty easy to criticise the process, but i dont see any better ideas on how it could have been done (to appease everyone...) being put forward...maybe you change the people selecting, but you will still draw the same criticisms of them from some corners.</p>
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<p>After seeing some of the sort of people who are getting behind the red peak and their fairly transparent pathetic motives ( they think Key is the anti Christ) I'd quite like to distance myself from it. Sneering left wing piston wristed gibbons like Russel Brown who have been derisive of the whole idea of change and the process suddenly supporting a design more of less because it isn't in the final four and it's trending on twitter are not really people I'd like to be associated with.<br>
I'm thinking the status quo is likely to win and an opportunity a wasted. If labour somehow get into govt any changes they try to make are quite likely to get rat fucked by the likes of Cameron Slater for no other reason than just because they can , karma is a bitch.</p> -
Do you like any of the final 4 designs enough to change to one of them jegga?<br><br>
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I could live with one of the Lockwood designs but I don't think I will vote to change it based on the options, though I was/am in favour of changing it.
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<p>At dads funeral as a returned serviceman they his coffin looking like this</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news/3273/eight_col_SAS SMITH FUNERAL.jpg?1317873851" alt="eight_col_SAS%20SMITH%20FUNERAL.jpg?1317"></p>
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<p>I can't picture the Koru or the black fern flag in the same situation, it'd be a safe bet on the flag we have now winning and the people who have whined throughout moaning about what a waste of money the whole thing was. </p> -
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<p>pretty easy to criticise the process, but i dont see any better ideas on how it could have been done (to appease everyone...) being put forward...maybe you change the people selecting, but you will still draw the same criticisms of them from some corners.</p>
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<p>The problem is with so many options and "new" designs people are going to be completely scattered around in what they want (if any at all).</p>
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<p>The only way the flag would be changed is with something New Zealanders already relate to and that is a black flag with a fern on it. Thats it. I am not saying that should be the flag I am just saying that no johnny come lately design flag is going to ursurp the one we have had since our country was born.</p> -
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<p>I can't picture the Koru or the black fern flag in the same situation...</p>
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<p>I've seen letters to the editors at big city dailies and small town weeklies in the 1960s, when memories about war were still fresh in Canada saying exactly the same thing. Always about the service men, the new flag is a disgrace that dishonours the sacrifices, the fallen, those who "died for the flag," etc. Most of 'em got over it, or passed away, and a new generation has little-or-no idea what the fuss was about.</p>
