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Crucial

As usual the Stuff comments as the unveiling was going on trotted out every cliche in the book.
 
"look, others in the world are laughing at us"
"looks like a kid has been playing with crayons"
"should spend the money on something else"
"looks like a rugby theme"
 
If this is really indicative of how people think it shows just how much most people rely on talkback hosts for their thought processes.

JC

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As usual the Stuff comments as the unveiling was going on trotted out every cliche in the book.
 
"look, others in the world are laughing at us"
"looks like a kid has been playing with crayons"
"should spend the money on something else"
"looks like a rugby theme"
 
If this is really indicative of how people think it shows just how much most people rely on talkback hosts for their thought processes.
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Yeah, Leighton Smith just might be the most influential person in the country. Which is pretty farking frightening.

Crucial

In a way the waters have been muddied by displaying 40 options that everyone has their favourites on.
 
After all the long winded part of this process at least the serious part starts now. We have 4 options from which to debate and choose our favourite then decide if we want to actually change.
 
I'm surprised that the fourth one made the final four. The second one is a compromise because a pure black flag doesn't work and ends up looking too much like a corporate logo sadly.
 
I think the third one is the one that will gain momentum. It keeps historic aspects but shows our forged identity as well.

JC

I can't see the koru one without thinking of this:
 
<img src="http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/15096/p15096_p_v7_aa.jpg" alt="p15096_p_v7_aa.jpg">
 
 
 
I dislike the black and white fern for some reason. It's like they zipped together two random bits of cloth.

taniwharugby

of those 4, I like the 3rd one.
 
My way of looking at it, the right side shows our history as it is part of our existing flag, while the black and the fern joins our national sporting identity with this.
 
Sounded way better in my head that the way I explained it....
 
edit just read Crucial saying pretty much same thing.

Mokey

I like the fern/southern cross combos. It's a nod to the past and present.
 
The black and white fern looks like a logo, and the koru is an octopus attempting to flex a bicep. Blurg.

Kirwan

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This image helps evaluate them better. 
 
I prefer the ones with a fern on them, with the southern cross. I'd also like black on it, but the red one is more striking.

hydro11

A bizarre choice of the 4 flags. You had to have two Kyle Lockwood flags as those have been the most talked about but I haven't heard anyone barrack for the other two flags. I think "Red Peak" (a minimalist design) or "Haere Mai" would have been included. Of the 4 I like 1 and 3 and would probably vote to change to either flag. However, I definitely don't like 2 or 4 and would probably prefer the current flag.

Crucial

It will be a two horse race between the two similar designs.
 
Those looking to keep the current flag will vote for the red one, those looking to change will vote for the black one.

taniwharugby

wont those wanting to keep it, just not vote, and then if the majority vote to change they will moan that it was a flawed process?
 
Key is, for people to vote for which one they like, regardless of if they want the change, just in case most others do!

Crucial

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A bizarre choice of the 4 flags. You had to have two Kyle Lockwood flags as those have been the most talked about but I haven't heard anyone barrack for the other two flags. I think "Red Peak" (a minimalist design) or "Haere Mai" would have been included. Of the 4 I like 1 and 3 and would probably vote to change to either flag. However, I definitely don't like 2 or 4 and would probably prefer the current flag.
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I think they have tried to offer an option to all views
 
The red Lockwood one is for the traditionalists that also want change
 
The black Lockwood is for those that want the flag to change that little bit more and reflect the liking for black
 
The koru is for those wanting a complete change away from the past
 
The Fern is a compromised version of the de-facto flag of white fern on black.
 
 
The black Lockwood one offers an opportunity to almost use 3 flags in certain circumstances being a combo of all.

Hooroo

With this change the Navy's flag? Or will they still fly the white version of our current flag? Likewise the RNZAF ensign with the Kiwi roundel

NTA

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This image helps evaluate them better. 
 
I prefer the ones with a fern on them, with the southern cross. I'd also like black on it, but the red one is more striking.
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The one with the koru on it looks like it belongs in a shaolin temple, or on the secret volcano lair of some evil empire.
 
Top left or bottom right (blue fern or red fern) are the tough picks for me. The red IS striking, but the blue reflects the seaside nature of pretty much the whole country.

No Quarter

Surprised they didn't give the option of the simple white fern on black flag, which quite a few people were wanting.
 
Black and blue Fern/Southern Cross for me.

jegga

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As usual the Stuff comments as the unveiling was going on trotted out every cliche in the book. 
"look, others in the world are laughing at us" 
"looks like a kid has been playing with crayons" 
"should spend the money on something else" 
"looks like a rugby theme" 
If this is really indicative of how people think it shows just how much most people rely on talkback hosts for their thought processes.</blockquote>
A couple of days ago a 9/11 survivor died of cancer and from stuff comments I learned. 
Most of the hijackers were found alive and well in the Middle East 
Fire can't melt steel 
Auditors were at the twin towers investing billions stolen by Donald Rumsfeld 
In the weeks leading up to the plane crash men were bringing thousand of pounds of thermite into the twin towers . 
I'll read the flag comments when I get home , obviously I'm not going to expect anything sensible in them .

JC

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This image helps evaluate them better. 
 
I prefer the ones with a fern on them, with the southern cross. I'd also like black on it, but the red one is more striking.
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That is much easier to compare. The black and white fern looks too short on the flagpole, almost square. The koru is just odd. The fern with red catches the eye most. The black and blue version is pretty but anonymous.
 
Anyone else think that the rest of the world may see the fern in the Lockwood designs as a white feather?

jegga

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="JC" data-cid="512733" data-time="1441066397">That is much easier to compare. The black and white fern looks too short on the flagpole, almost square. The koru is just odd. The fern with red catches the eye most. The black and blue version is pretty but anonymous. 
 
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After ww2 the rnzaf had a silver fern instead of a kiwi in the middle of their roundel and changed it for that reason

Baron Silas Greenback

This is one of those topics that is really hard to gauge public opinion. It seems like there is a majority not wanting change, but they are also very vocal.

Hooroo

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This is one of those topics that is really hard to gauge public opinion. It seems like there is a majority not wanting change, but they are also very vocal.
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I am still undercided whether or not I want change but I am pleased I have an opportunity to choose

JC

Fair point BSG. I'm finding myself discussing their relative merits when the fact is I'll probably vote for the current flag.
 
Which is weird really when I think about it. For anyone who wants the status quo why does it matter which flag is up against it? It's like voting for which one is second best.

The Silver Fern

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