Exodus
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@Derm-McCrum
The creative accounting comes in when you say "European club squads are limited to fielding 2 non-European players in a match-day squad for PRO14, Premiership, and Top 14 as well as the EPCR competitions" then go on to list all all the various loopholes where kiwis and Aussies can bypass this. As I mentioned, these loophole players are still NZers and Aussies lost to their countries regardless. -
@mofitzy_ said in Exodus 2019:
@Derm-McCrum
The creative accounting comes in when you say "European club squads are limited to fielding 2 non-European players in a match-day squad for PRO14, Premiership, and Top 14 as well as the EPCR competitions" then go on to list all all the various loopholes where kiwis and Aussies can bypass this. As I mentioned, these loophole players are still NZers and Aussies lost to their countries regardless.Well it's not creative accounting by me. I was responding to the comments that "all overseas professional teams will be filled with kiwis thus overseas test teams....etc" I was pointing out the restrictions (never mind quotas in some countries) that are in place - which don't apply to some Aus/NZ players if they have heritage or if they have gained residency. But they apply to most of them initially. As James Lowe and Jamison Gibson Park found out at Leinster, it does limit them in the games they can play.
Last season, there were 180 NZ-born players in the 66 professional clubs in the Six Nations unions - that's an average of 2.7 players per club. Obviously some have more than others. In Wales, for example, Dragons and Ospreys have only 1 each, whereas Scarlets have 5.
The player transfers for next season in the PRO14 are pretty much complete. Leaving aside the two SA teams, the transfer activity across the 12 teams involves:
11 Irish seniors
24 Irish academy/club promoted
1 Italian senior
9 Italian academy/clubs promoted
8 Welsh seniors
9 Welsh academy promoted
5 Scottish seniors
2 Scottish academy promoted
4 NZ seniors - 3 from NZ
3 SA seniors - 1 from SA
2 Aus seniors - 1 from Aus
1 Fijian senior
1 English senior
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@Derm-McCrum said in Exodus 2019:
The rule has been around for over a decade or more. How French teams get around it is they often contract players who have PI or other background and the player changes nationality/passport if necessary.
This was the first sign that SBW was about to walk out on the Bulldogs. On a bye week about a month before he split he went to Samoa and got his citizenship and passport expedited.
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@Darren said in Exodus 2019:
180 NZ-born players in the 66 professional clubs in the Six Nations unions
Damm, I can't even wrap my mind around around that.
Here's the split of NZ-born from last season (I should add that it includes players who moved to other countries when kids e.g. Joey Carbery when his family moved back to Ireland or Joe Tomane who moved to Aus at 3, but there's not many of them). Equally, it doesn't include the numbers of players from Fiji, Tonga, Samoa who moved to NZ as kids:
Fra Top 14 - 47 across 14 teams
Eng Premiership - 40 - 12 teams
France PRO D2 - 33 - 16 teams
Eng Championship - 27 - 12 teams
Ireland - 13 - 4 teams
Wales - 9 - 4 teams
Scotland - 5 - 2 teams
Italy - 6 - 2 teamsI'm going to look further at the status (SR/Capped/Mire/Residency/Parentage) and age of players when they move just to see the profile or trends there. There was a further 197 SH-born players in Japan last season but I haven't worked out the nationality split yet.
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@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
but it's nice to have facts
That'll never catch on here.
180 is an awful lot when we only have around 200 super rugby players in NZ.
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@Snowy does that include the Blues?
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@Snowy does that include the Blues?
Will clarify - people that play in the super rugby competition.
Not sure that some of the blues are even rugby players...
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@Snowy said in Exodus 2019:
@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
but it's nice to have facts
That'll never catch on here.
180 is an awful lot when we only have around 200 super rugby players in NZ.
There's only 230 professional players in Irish Rugby and another 57 playing in the other 6N clubs and another chunk in the US. But the system wouldn't support more than that domestically. And a fair chunk of that NZ 180 is not at SR level - particularly the ones playing in English Championship and French PRO D2.
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@Derm-McCrum said in Exodus 2019:
a fair chunk of that NZ 180 is not at SR level
Indeed and probably why some of them left. Some have also gone on to have pretty good international careers recently, so a spread of the ones we would have liked to keep, and also some meh.
I was really only talking about the numbers though, not the quality of them.
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Christian Leali'ifano to depart Brumbies after 12-year stint
In-form Brumbies skipper Christian Leali'ifano will complete a celebrated 12-year association with the Canberra-based Super Rugby team when they contest the looming finals.
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@Tim said in Exodus 2019:
Christian Leali'ifano to depart Brumbies after 12-year stint
In-form Brumbies skipper Christian Leali'ifano will complete a celebrated 12-year association with the Canberra-based Super Rugby team when they contest the looming finals.
Top, top player and a gent to boot. The article, oddly, doesn’t mention that he did a year at Ulster when he recovered from his leukemia - a big crowd favorite who the club would have liked to stay on. Got a long standing ovation as he left the pitch in Ravenhill for last time. Best of luck to him in Japan.
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Not really an exodus announcement, but this seems the best place to post this.
http://www.allblacks.com/News/34302/mike-cron-to-leave-all-blacks-after-rwc2019
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Scarlets have signed North Harbour lock Danny Drake.
Scarlets strengthen squad with signing of three players
The Scarlets have further strengthened their squad for the 2019-20 campaign with the signings of second row Danny Drake, scrum-half Dane Blacker and prop Alex Jeffries. Danny Drake joins from New…
